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Dying of cold

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grannyactivist Sat 24-Jan-15 14:57:09

Last week two street sleepers were found dead, one locally and another in the nearby city. The nights were bitterly cold and too much for their abused bodies to withstand. One of the men sat outside my house a few days ago with another rough sleeper and now I feel so sad that I didn't invite them in - I thought about it, but my husband was away and there were two of them so I decided it would be foolhardy. In hindsight I realise I should have asked a friend to join us and then at least I could have given them a hot meal. I'm not blaming myself or beating myself up, but I am regretful and I will make sure that in future I find a way of doing something helpful for these people.
So many people rang me to try and figure out a way of preventing this from happening again that I'm arranging a meeting with concerned parties to discuss an emergency night shelter for when the temperature drops to freezing. So, if any of you grans have any experience or advice that would help I'm all ears. smile

soontobe Fri 13-Mar-15 15:52:49

Hull city council dont even appear to be helping to solve the problem.

absent Sat 14-Mar-15 08:34:55

I am not familiar with the law but I suspect that if you are giving away food rather than selling it, so long as it isn't harmful, then I don't think there is a law under which you can be prosecuted.

etheltbags1 Sat 14-Mar-15 18:14:15

Had a homless man near us, he was sleeping in a shop doorway and some yobs beat him up and he ended in hospital but it turned out he had family and they all came round so maybe he is with them now.

Iam64 Sat 14-Mar-15 18:42:40

Our town has a Salvation Army hostel but of course some rough sleepers can't cope with being inside. There's a soup van and a needle exchange in the bit of town where it's most needed. It is very cold here today, it's dreadful to think of vulnerable people sleeping rough. There's also a community group aimed at supporting rough sleepers. We had a very vulnerable young couple living in a tent in the park last year. People did help with food and the community policeman put them in touch with various agencies. They were eventually housed.

Best of luck with your project granny activist.

MamaCaz Mon 16-Mar-15 11:23:59

It beggars belief, Durhamjen. Talk about kicking people when they are already down. All those concerned should be ashamed of themselves.

whenim64 Mon 16-Mar-15 12:09:35

I worked with homeless people for a few years ga. The nightly soup run was always a welcome sight, bringing hot soup and other food and a supply of blankets, socks, gloves and hats for those whose clothes were damp or in need of replacement. Is there anyone willing to offer access to an outbuilding, garage or shed when necessary? It sounds like your community might be able to give some help, having experienced such a tragedy.

Iam64 I used to visit the Walkden Salvation Army hostel you refer to and I've never seen so many men hovering around outside - they couldn't use the dormitories until nightime then. I hope it's changed. The majority were mentally ill, alcoholic and in such despair.

grannyactivist Mon 16-Mar-15 12:23:05

I do find the situation in Hull a further indicator (if one was needed) of how the vulnerable in our society are being more and more marginalised. I genuinely am at a loss as to the motivation of the member of the public who complained. If this was a company/a business, who were charging for the food, okay - I get it. But these are people of goodwill who are giving up their time and their resources to help those who otherwise have slipped through the net.
In contrast our project is developing very well with a groundswell of support from the townspeople and the local council response has been admirable. Many street sleepers are fearful of engaging with housing professionals and lack capacity to make appointments and form-fill. A member of our local housing team, in recognition of this, has actually left the council offices and engaged with one of our street sleepers on her park bench. A wonderful, and previously unimaginable, response. smile

amarmai Mon 16-Mar-15 12:24:59

Hi ga, apart from permanent shelters set up by different groups, i notice that some churches are allowing homeless people to sleep over night with the help of volunteers.

durhamjen Mon 16-Mar-15 12:29:22

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Vicar-s-despair-ban-charity-serving-hot-food/story-26177292-detail/story.html

grannyactivist Mon 16-Mar-15 12:33:02

armamai one of the problems we've identified is that because people who are street sleepers often have very complex social issues; addictions, mental health issues etc. they don't actually want to be sleeping in the same place as other homeless people. Many hostels have problems dealing with the erratic and often anti-social behaviours of the residents and therefore they are not always 'safe havens'. Churches have to have insurance before offering accommodation, but also enough space and volunteers to ensure that the provision is both safe and appropriate to the needs of the users; not an easy task.

whenim64 Mon 16-Mar-15 12:36:44

Isn't this the obvious situation for little used public and church buildings to be put to use helping the homeless and destitute with emergency accommodation? Many councils have a policy of visiting a sleeping site within 24 hours, preferably overnight so that rough sleepers can be offered help quickly. Rather than complaining, the person who made it their business to stop food being given could notify the council of the location of a rough sleeper on the street who needed food, warmth and shelter.

Iam64 Mon 16-Mar-15 12:52:53

whenim64 - no it isn't the one in Walken, its a custom built new one in our town. The building also facilitates contact for families. There was some opposition inevitably, on the basis it would encourage more homeless people but it's been up and running for several years now.

That's an excellent idea, to use little/unused churches and public buildings to provide shelter for the homeless and destitute on an emergency basis.

whenim64 Mon 16-Mar-15 12:57:57

Oh, I haven't seen that one, Iam. Fancy that - homelessness shelters encouraging homeless people! It never ceases to amaze me that many people can't imagine how they would feel if they found themselves homeless.

Iam64 Mon 16-Mar-15 13:41:23

I agree, there but for chance/the grace of god go any one of us.