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Should you vote tactically?

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Mishap Mon 13-Apr-15 22:19:39

I think that sometimes there is nothing else to do under this first past the post system.

I cannot vote Tory as their policies so not sit well with me;and in my constituency the Lib Dems were a credible alternative (but I do not think they continue to be as their role in the coalition has been so unpopular); Labour don't stand a chance here and never have. Nothing I do will stop the Tory candidate getting in, so I think I might vote green. The tactical vote would have been Lib Dem, but no longer.

grumppa Mon 27-Apr-15 19:46:20

Gracefully said, pompa. Having been caught out once myself, with a limerick, I sympathise with you.

Mishap Mon 27-Apr-15 19:50:00

I think that is a very gracious apology pompa.

Jokes can backfire as what one person thinks is funny, another takes offence at.

From our knowledge of pompa's past posts I am happy to assume that the joke had no intention of giving offence.

I seldom take offence at jokes, as they are just....well....jokes.

loopylou Mon 27-Apr-15 19:59:31

I heartedly agree Mishap and I cannot for one second imagine that pompa would be offensive.

IMO there will always be times when someone's post will hit a raw spot or make a GN wince, but rarely would that have been the intention of any poster surely?

I certainly didn't see the joke as intending to be sexist etc.

Iam64 Mon 27-Apr-15 20:01:02

I think grumppa put that very well, a graceful comment and apology from pompa.

GillT57 Mon 27-Apr-15 20:01:41

Blimey there are a lot of people having a sense of humour bypass on here today. I thought it was funny. If we analyse every joke someone will be offended. So how many of you humour police made ooing noises at Poldark? Or is that unacceptable sexism? Lighten up folks, these are serious times and we have got an election to debate.

petallus Mon 27-Apr-15 20:02:30

If someone made a joke like that about me, it would make me feel horrid.

The joke would have been less unpleasant if it had not involved a real person. I am assuming people who think the joke is funny do not like NS.

loopylou Mon 27-Apr-15 20:05:28

Well said GillT!

I'm at an utter loss, other than spoiling my vote, regarding which Party.
Living in a too long very longstanding Conservative safe seat it's absolutely highly unlikely any other Party will get a look in.
What does one do is those circumstances?

durhamjen Mon 27-Apr-15 20:10:01

Just watched Nicola Sturgeon being interviewed by Evan Davis. She was brilliant. Came across as very sincere and cared about the English and the union.
She put Cameron in his place about how he is now trying to split the union, having wanted Scotland to stay in it last year. I cannot understand how anyone who last year wanted Scotland to stay as part of the Westminster government can now tell the SNP to keep out of the vote.

Ana Mon 27-Apr-15 20:10:51

I'm sure you're not horrid, petallus.

NS is in the public eye and must be used to jokes being made about her, as I'm sure MT was. I agree with others that as pompa has apologised the 'debate' should move on.

(Doubt that it will, though...)

Mishap Mon 27-Apr-15 20:19:40

Nicola Sturgeon is an impressive woman. She puts her point across well and is very clear and cool. It is not surprising that she is head of SNP.

But I do not really want to see too many SNP MPs as it is divisive to the UK.

Mishap Mon 27-Apr-15 20:20:37

By the way pompa - I once had a limerick deleted. I survived!

Tegan Mon 27-Apr-15 20:21:29

I may just be speaking for myself here, but I find it strange that Scotland voted to stay as part of the UK and yet now, the very party that lost that vote are possibly going to control the balance of power in the country that they wanted to disassociate themselves from. I think it will cause a lot of bad feeling and I feel very uncomfortable about it.

Mishap Mon 27-Apr-15 20:24:56

Me too.

Ana Mon 27-Apr-15 20:25:14

And they seem to be very aggressive in their tactics and the language being bandied about.

Tegan Mon 27-Apr-15 20:37:16

The main problem with this election [again imo] is that the two Eds need to go; Labour needs to lose the election and change their leadership. It's as important for the country to have a strong opposition party as it is to have the right part in Government and this has been lacking recently. I'm saying this with great sadness, as a lifelong Labour supporter. I'm really scared of what the Conservatives are planning for our future but will most probably not vote Labour and, given that I would rather gauge my eyes out than vote UKIP I'm not sure where that leaves me sad.

Ana Mon 27-Apr-15 20:46:27

You're a brave woman, Tegan! Respect.

loopylou Mon 27-Apr-15 20:54:50

I think Scotland want to eat their cake and have it, and NS starting to seem to me to be prepared to join up with anyone who'll have her, to put it bluntly.
Labour are unconvincing to me and UKIP's a sinking ship IMO.

I'm out.........

TerriBull Mon 27-Apr-15 21:06:38

I believe the population of England and Wales is something in the region of 60 million, whilst Scotland's is 5 million plus. The SNP holding the balance of power will not be in the interests of that majority, they come across as very divisive and partisan. We shall have to wait and see just how much power they are able to wield.

whitewave Mon 27-Apr-15 21:14:21

We cannot have our argument both ways and declare Scotland and it's people we would dearly like to remain as part of the UK, and then declare their mandate that charges the SNP to represent them in Westminster as something we cannot accept. It simply doesn't work like that.

durhamjen Mon 27-Apr-15 21:20:56

Did any one else watch Nicola Sturgeon?
She does not want to be divisive; she wants what's best for Scotland, obviously, but as Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom, she will go along with that and do what she thinks is best for the United Kingdom.
Just watched Panorama, where they had an American statistician going around Britain, crunching the numbers and deciding it will be too close to call.
However, what he said about Scotland was that it isn't surprising that the SNP will win so many seats. The Yes vote gained 45% of the vote. They are the ones voting SNP. The No vote was split between all the other parties.
Anyone getting 45% of the vote in first past the post voting will win the seat.
If they were not voting SNP, they would be voting labour anyway, so either way, labour would win.
Westminster has never had the interests of the Scots at heart. All they wanted was their oil money.

annodomini Mon 27-Apr-15 21:22:39

Exactly, whitewave. Unfortunately, TerriBull, that's parliamentary democracy British style and, until we can agree on a proportional system, we just have to lump it.The SNP is a legitimately constituted political party as are all the other regional parties such as Ulster Unionists, Sinn Féinn. The press is making a meal of the supposed threat of the SNP. I doubt that they have any proof of this, but it makes great headlines.

durhamjen Mon 27-Apr-15 21:23:59

Loopy, Nicola Sturgeon has said repeatedly that the SNP will never join up with the Tories, so you are wrong on that. If the Tories get to do their queen's speech, SNP MPs will vote against it. The only way it would get passed would be if some Labour MPs voted for it. Can you see that happening?

whitewave Mon 27-Apr-15 21:24:34

The whole thing about a coalition is that various political parties will get into bed with any number of others in order to gain a working majority. Watch Borgan that will tell you!!! We may not like it but is what we voted for as a United Kingdom.

Coalitions are not something that we are used to so that is the reason that we may feel uncomfortable at the end result.

durhamjen Mon 27-Apr-15 21:26:34

Agreed, whitewave. That's what I said earlier. Nicola Sturgeon realises that, and has said how ridiculous Cameron is by taking that stance. He's not doing himself any favours by being anti Scotland now.

Ana Mon 27-Apr-15 21:32:17

I thought Ed had ruled out any 'arrangement' with the SNP. Has that now gone by the board?