Should you vote tactically?

just stick a pin in the voting card.

Jess M

Can I ask where in the Fiscal Studies report/analysis does it say:-

'If we want less austerity and therefore to preserve the NHS in something like it's present form, then Labour is the best option'.

Is that your personal view or is it a stated fact?

BREAKING NEWS

Nicola Sturgeon is touring Perthshire in the First Minister’s chauffeur driven car.

Suddenly a cow jumps out into the road. They hit it full on and the car comes to a stop.

Nicola in her usual jaunty manner, says to the chauffeur : " You get out and check - you were driving."

The chauffeur gets out, checks and reports that the animal is dead.

" You were driving, go and tell the farmer," says Nicola, ”I can’t afford to be blamed for anything.”

The chauffeur walks up the drive to the farmhouse and returns five hours later totally plastered, his hair ruffled and with a big grin on his face.

" My God, what happened to you ?" asks Nicola.

The chauffeur replies : " When I got there, the farmer opened his best bottle of malt whisky, the wife gave me a slap up meal and the daughter made love to me."

" What on earth did you say?" asks Nicola.

" I knocked on the door and when it was answered, I said to them, I'm Nicola Sturgeon’s chauffeur and I've just killed the cow."

I find that an offensive and sexist joke pompa - because you couldn't tell it about a man, could you? It is making a joke out of violence against women.
Maybe you could consider asking GN to remove it?

pompa take no notice I think it's funny.

JessM haven't you got anything more serious to worry about!

Once again, I agree with JessM.
And if you do not think that's serious enough, magpie, I feel sorry for you.

Totally agree that this 'joke' is unacceptable.

And of course I agree it's unacceptable. And fwiw, why does objecting to a puerile, offensive sexist joke mean you haven't got anything more serious to worry about? I can't speak for Jess but I would guess that like me, she's quite capable of worrying about more than one thing at once.

durhamjen I feel sorry for you, lighten up a bit and get off your soap box.

GrannyTwice I have found a few of your posts unacceptable of late.

Stop being so offensively patronising Maggie to dj. She clearly cares a great deal about a lot of issues, posts interesting links ( that you don't have to read) and is fully entitled to be on her soap box. What is about about some posters who seem to think that there should be no serious political points made on GN.
I don't actually give a flying fig about what you think of my posts - if they are unacceptable, report them. And fwiw, I feel sorry for those of you who think jokes like that are acceptable

If you find it offensive, use the report button. It was not intended to be offensive and I doubt it was to many, Mrs P certainly found it funny. I don;t see comments about jokes being sexist when men are the object being commented on. I do not intend to ask for it to be removed as I don't see it should be a problem.

Pompa - it wasn't just sexist, it involved violence to women. I actually don't care who found it funny, some of us don't and are permitted to say so ( although I know some posters think we shouldn't make serious points). As for sexist jokes about men, I don't find those acceptable either. I'm really pleased your 'joke' is staying because it's useful to be reminded about how low the level of acceptability is of some people about what is 'funny'.

Not remotely funny.

I think your joke is brilliant Pompa . Got any more! x

Joke ! Whats green and goes up and down.
A frog in a lift!
Hope this hasn't offended any frog lovers!

I'm not laughing, either. Like a good joke, though!

If the joke was one in which the punchline was a play on words about killing a black person would you understand that it was obviously racist and offensive to many people? Or if the punchline was about "raping the cow" would that be sexist/mysogynistic?

Sad that a joke in which the punchline involves "killing the cow" is seen as perfectly acceptable. If someone told me that joke in real life, or if I overheard them telling it, I would take issue with them.
Jokes like this, and the expectation by men that us women will just accept them are horrible, given the number of women that are killed every year in their homes in this country.

Had it been Bernard Manning telling the joke, then no, I wouldn't have liked it because all his humour had an underlying nastiness.
I think in this instance it wasn't meant in any cruel way and therefore it was more acceptable.

I don't care at all how the joke was meant - and how can we know anyway- those of us who understand how things like this matter, know that it is not intention that matters but how it is perceived. Jokes like this are never acceptable and completely unnecessary and I object to going onto a thread and being faced with this type of sexist rubbish. If you want to tell jokes like this, go and tell them to those of your personal acquaintances who share the same mysoginist, dinosaur views of the world. Of course the real issue here is that men feel emasculated by strong, bright, intelligent women of whom NS is a prime example , and try to make themselves feel better by such jokes

If any of you think I am sexist, you don;t know me very well and do not read my past posts. I find some of the comments unbelievable as this was emailed to my wife by a female friend, neither of which found it sexist or violent to women.
As I said earlier, if you have a problem with it - use the report button. If GN agree with you I will leave GN.

I'd be surprised if pompa made it up. Where did he get it from?
I do not think it matters where the joke is or who told it. It's the content that makes it offensive.

Yes I agree dj- so what that it came via women? I do not in my group of female friends know anyone who would find it remotely funny. You should have thought pompa before you posted it - you know very very well that there are some posters who would find this offensive so why do it? And as I said before , I'm not reporting it because it's good for you to hear the dissenting voices and for this debate to take place

If the cap fits pompa re you being sexist... but I just pointed out politely that the joke caused offence to me. I would have thought that an appropriate response from a non-sexist person would have been more along the lines of "I'm sorry Jess, i didn't think."
But now you are getting defensive instead of reflecting on my feedback.
Not sexist (just like "not racist") is not something like your height that is a given, it is a process of learning that we all can choose to go through. Both men and women can have blind spots about stuff that has been normalised, like sexist jokes, sexist child rearing, sexist advertising and so on.
Having been a victim of domestic violence, including death threats, this one is not difficult for me to "get".

JessM, you do have a point, whilst I still do not think it sexist etc, I did not intend to cause offence to any individual. I know I am not sexist and abhor mistreatment of women (if you had read some of my old posts, that would be obvious), but this was a joke and has no foundation in fact.

Therefore I do apologise for any offence caused and had I realised that would not have posted it. But, I did and cannot turn back the clock.

This is my last comment on the subject as to continue would just prolong the offence caused.