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Gove and the Human Rights Act

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whitewave Sun 10-May-15 09:35:07

After the atrocities of WW11 Churchill was one of the instigators of the European convention (EC) and UK was one of the first signatories. Up until 1988 our only recourse was to go to the European court of HR, but the Labour government brought in the HRA in 1988 and so we now have recourse in British courts.
HRA 1988 - contains the same rights as the EC.

Right to-
Life
No torture or be threatened to be treated in an inhumane or degrading way
Free from slavery or forced labour
Fair trial
Not punished for something against the law
respect for private and family life, home and correspondence
freedom of thought and consience
religion
freedom of expression assembly and association
marriage and family
right not to be descrimated against in relation to EC
education
free election
abolition of death penalty

Now can anyone persuade me why we should be thinking of abolishing this?

soontobe Wed 13-May-15 11:20:42

I feel I should reply, but that might look wrong, so lets get back to the Human Rights Act.

Soutra Wed 13-May-15 11:22:48

I too have wondered if anything lies behind some disingenuous statements and questions hmm

rosequartz Wed 13-May-15 11:31:06

so lets get back to the Human Rights Act.

Sorry soon, that question was probably against your human rights. wink

There would be anarchy if they tried to replace the HRA with anything less than rigorous.

Even I, who believes the victims' rights should come before those of criminals, would be marching.

durhamjen Wed 13-May-15 16:46:12

ukhumanrightsblog.com/2015/05/11/the-round-up-a-british-bill-of-rights-on-the-horizon/

Keir Starmer, the former DPP, is now Labour MP for Holborn and St Pancras.
I hope he gets given the post of shadow to Gove. He should be able to run rings round him.

Iam64 Wed 13-May-15 18:36:39

That's a bit of bright news this week durhamjen. I'm a Keir Starmer fan and like you, hope he gets to shadow Gove. Keir Starmer is intelligent, seems grounded and focussed on the rights of victims. Here'e hoping my assessment is correct.

durhamjen Wed 13-May-15 18:38:26

He's also written books on Human Rights. A case of using your resources, I hope.

durhamjen Wed 13-May-15 19:36:35

www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-we-call-on-the-government-and-the-prime-minister-to-provide-a-national-referendum-on-the-planned-abolition-of-the-human-rights-act?source_location=trending_petitions_home_page&algorithm=curated_trending

Something to sign.

whitewave Wed 13-May-15 19:46:22

Done

durhamjen Wed 13-May-15 21:44:49

This is interesting, particularly the link on it about the government report.

theconversationuk.cmail2.com/t/r-l-aguyhk-iudkikukhu-n/

durhamjen Wed 13-May-15 21:49:12

Hadn't realised that Keir Starmer was standing against Natalie Bennett. Right one got in there, I think, although she did come third. The one in the middle was called Will Blair! No relation.

durhamjen Wed 13-May-15 22:36:31

Someone on Newsnight has just suggested Keir Starmer as leader of the Labour party, Iam64.

trisher Wed 13-May-15 23:16:52

I wonder if anyone thinks we have a responsibility to keep the Human Rights act in order to be able to set standards for other countries. If we repeal it and have our own, less democratic regimes could claim to be following our example by developing their own legislation. An international standard of Human rights is essential and we should lead the way in developing and maintaining this.

durhamjen Wed 13-May-15 23:35:39

Yes, trisher. It's strange how they always want to lead the world or be world beating in lots of other areas, but not human rights.

durhamjen Fri 15-May-15 00:15:19

fullfact.org/law/conservative-party-bill-of-rights-39308/
This is what the Tories want to put in the place of the Human Rights Act.
I cannot see why.

whitewave Mon 18-May-15 08:44:47

Beginning to get interesting - report in the Guardian of a number of Tories calling themselves the Runnymead Group including David Davies, Ken Clarke and a others including a number of QC's who are unhappy about what DC intends to do. They argue that the Conservative party has always stood up for individual rights - and were instigators in the whole thing after WW11 and in forming the ECHR. They are arguing that there is no need to alter what we have at present and are alarmed at the possibility of watering it down. Gove is going to have his work cut out if her wants to avoid a rebellion. Remember there is only a 12 majority.

whitewave Mon 18-May-15 10:43:30

Presumably this will be in the Q's Speech? Then we will have some idea what is intended and when it is to be abolished.

annodomini Mon 18-May-15 11:57:43

There is an international standard for Human Rights 1948:

www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Widely ignored throughour the world, but something which, as a nation, we should aspire to live up to.

thatbags Mon 18-May-15 14:47:52

Interesting article from the Law Gazette.

Galen Mon 18-May-15 15:31:42

Thought provoking.

durhamjen Mon 18-May-15 16:51:31

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/medical-union-to-seek-legal-advice-on-treatment-of-young-doctors-amid-fear-nhs-is-breaching-human-rights-act-10255657.html

Interesting to see how the government gets out of this one.
I notice Amnesty has called for people to tell Gove to keep the Human Rights Act.

durhamjen Mon 18-May-15 16:56:18

Earlier I said I cannot see why. That article ends with what's the point, thatbags.

thatbags Mon 18-May-15 18:09:33

Yes, it does.

thatbags Mon 18-May-15 18:33:46

I wonder though.... if there's 'no point', maybe there isn't much to worry about either.

Ana Mon 18-May-15 18:39:15

Exactly, thatbags. I still agree with your post of Tue 12-May-15 20:51:22

rosequartz Mon 18-May-15 19:34:09

Junior doctors - the link states:
^Although they work on average 46 to 47 hours a week, this can include spells in which they are contracted to work 12 days in a row.

Things have improved tremendously since DN trained then!!
I am so pleased.