Gove and the Human Rights Act

A survey on whether you think the Human Rights Act should be abolished.

www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZFH7XHP

www.amnesty.org.uk/eight-reasons-why-human-rights-act-has-made-uk-better-place-british-bill-of-rights

Why be pleased that doctors can work 12 days in a row? I wouldn't want to be treated by one of those doctors at the end of the 12 days.

I used to have to do it. I know I made mistakes through tiredness and I was in my twenties then

Exactly, Galen. The Human Rights Act should have put a stop to that, but the NHS has obviously managed to find a way round it.
A tired doctor is just as dangerous as a tired coach driver. There should be a limit to how many hours you can work in each 24 hours when other people's lives are at risk.

www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-we-call-on-the-government-and-the-prime-minister-to-provide-a-national-referendum-on-the-planned-abolition-of-the-human-rights-act?source_location=trending_petitions_home_page&algorithm=curated_trending

Nearly a quarter of a million signatures on this now. It could actually be done at the same time as the EU referendum.

I thought it was the European Working Times Directive not the HRA

Yes, so did I.

some background - without the associated scaremongering
www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/key-issues-for-the-new-parliament/security-and-liberty/from-the-human-rights-act-to-a-bill-of-rights/

Well that's a completely neutral source isn't it?

I know it was 5 years ago but relevant nontheless

you did notice that Labour were looking at replacing/building on the HRA

sorry that should have been nulabour

And what's with the 'scaremongering'? Do you mean the reasoned debates that are going on, not just here but across the legal and political spectrum? The Runneymede Tories for example?

Well that would have been equally wrong - under Blair a great many liberties, freedoms and right were attacked

why is there a petition calling for a referendum when nothing has been explained about what will happen with any new bill of rights?
so many people do get so hysterical and bring up emotive terms to alarm everyone without knowledge of the true facts.

ah the personal attacks again from G2 - is it something I have said ?
if you read the OP - that was scaremongering that all those rights enshrined in the ECHR would be 'abolished' - really

Isn't 'hysterical' an emotive term?

I agree with you mollie that a lot of the stuff going round about the 'proposed abolition of the Human Rights Act' is ridiculously OTT.

Anyone would think DC was suggesting we abandon all of the rights set out in the OP completely and just have a Tory bill for Tory people in its place...

I presume you've read the Amnesty link and disagree with it, then, Ana and mollie.

Do you?

My understanding is that the worry many people have is that the Bill of Rights would not be as comprehensive as the HRA . This could well mean that we won't be EConHR compliant and therefore would not be party to the convention. If the Bill is ECHR compliant, why is it then necessary to replace the HRA with it? The HRA ( which was passed with cross party support) had the big advantage of UK citizens bring allowed to use our domestic courts rather than have to go to Strasbourg. The Supreme Court is not bound by ECHR judgements but csn take them into account. I still really don't see what the problem with the HRA is unless the Government wants to take away some of the rights within it. Now that seems worth worrying about and initiating some preemptive strikes. What's wrong with that?

I am assuming the one section that those in (any) government most want to re think is the
'freedom of expression assembly and association'

because it can hamper the state's efforts to manage potential radicals/terrorists/ protestors etc.

Perhaps they need to set it up like a set of Top Trumps cards where one clause can trump another i.e Right to life trumps freedom of expression!

I am concerned that any reform may be used to limit the right to peaceful protest in public at a rally etc. Lobbying is already curtailed so the limiting of opportunity to express opposition or unity being reduced is a loss. I am sorry if this happens, Speakers Corner is a great part of British Culture.

Nothing at all - let's see what those proposals are before we get too worried about it though.