Out of the EU? (just for fun)

Not very likely.

He's 13 and probably heard something on the news.

His parents could get married.

I don't for one moment believe that all Europeans who have made a settled life for themselves in the UK would be sent back. (Not that I wish us to leave the EU)

I think you should be very careful what you talk about in front of an eleven year old.

Poor lad.

My grandson said, "Don't worry, Mummy, I'll come with you so you won't be on your own."

Just as important as the question of staying in the EU, is the question of TTIP.
If we were out of the EU, Cameron would have signed up to it by now.

act.sumofus.org/go/8800?t=1&akid=10600.8185493.H-T-67

Thanks, jane. I'll send the link to my son and his partner. I think it might need to be read carefully before letting my 13 year-old grandson loose on it.

Not sure if he'll have a vote at the next election. He'll do as suggested to him anyway, as he has ASD, but he cannot have British citizenship as he has to take his mother's nationality. Strange, isn't it, that rich people can have nondom status because of their father's nationality, but my grandson cannot have his father's nationality even though his dad is British.

I think this project will be a long one.

His mother did not get a vote in the general election, and will not be able to vote on the EU question, even though she has paid taxes and NI for over 20 years in this country. Her brother changes jobs quite frequently, moving back and forwards with his family between Spain, Ireland and Denmark. He would not come to the UK because of the attitude to foreigners here.

This is quite long but seems quite authoritative and might be of interest to jen and others who have family members who are EU nationals.
eulawanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/what-would-happen-to-eu-nationals.html?m=1

Do you want to go anywhere in the meantime trisher?
They may let you out of the country but you may not be let back in - usually it has to have 6 months left on a passport!

You could buy a nice dark blue cover for it:
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The implications are so far-reaching we are going to need to absorb an awful lot of information to make a decision - how many people will do that?

Sorry if people feel I am being too light hearted about a serious issue. Sometimes when you look at something and realise how utterly ridiculous and silly the whole idea is people start to think carefully about it. I think some of the more serious posts have brought home to me the real problems people will have if we leave the EU. When the politicians start throwing out their facts and figures on costs and benefits and confusing things I will think about these posts and make my decision based on them (and I think you can guess what it will be) .
On another note my passport runs out in October should I renew it now or hang on and see what happens -and will we go back to the old blue ones?

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear.

How has he picked up on that?

Just had lunch with my grandson and his mum. Out of the blue, he got all upset thinking that his mum would have to leave England and go to live in Denmark in two years time if the English do not want to stay in Europe.

We now have our next project.

I just meant that after a period of heightened emotions there is sometimes a sense of - well - daftness. For a short while anyway.

It is far from the silly season. Many people genuinely concerned.

felice
sorry if you feel upset; it just seemed to be the 'silly season' in between election threads and the referendum threads that will soon arrive.


We have relatives who live in France, too.

There is no such thing as UK Law. Scotland is a law unto itself and always has been. That would complicate the issue as would the SNP determination to stay in the EU if there's a majority for membership in Scotland and an anti vote in England.

Thanks whitewave, all you see on the British media are the hyped up reactions of overzealous reporters and news readers, accusing Brussels of everything under the sun, but seldom noting the benefits of being in the EU.
My usual mantra; sorry if you have heard this before, Brussels is a city not an Institution.

felice people in your position is why we must fight so hard to win the vote to stay in Europe.

I am concerned about some things, in particular what is seen as the democratic gap but advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

My grandson was born in York in 2002. Because his parents are not married he has to take his mother's nationality, Danish, and go to the Danish embassy to get a passport. That's a trip to London, as that is the only place to get one now.
His sister, born in the same circumstances but in 2007, can now have a British passport.
The rules are weird as it is now. Can't wait for the next two years.
Brexit is not funny to those of us who have European family members, or who work in firms propped up by European money.
Nissan is not bothered whether it has factories in the UK, Germany or France, so long as they are in Europe. If the UK leaves the EU, it will make it easier for Nissan to move to mainland Europe.

I do not find this 'fun' at all. I am in receipt of Invalidity benefit here, take medication which I know is not available on the NHS, I need regular health care.
If I was refused this assistance what would I do. I have no one to go and live with in the UK. I would need acommodation, assistance in the home which DD does now, help with shopping, hospital and doctors visits etc.
All of which DD does for me here.
The invalidity system is very different here, i will not go into all the details but if you are classified as have degenerative conditions then re-asessment is not required.
I am scared, and no, DD and family would not be moving to the UK if I had to leave.
I had similar worries during the Referendum and was eventually told that as I was born a UK citizen my status would not change if Scotland had to re-apply for admittance to the EU. I do not know if the same would apply if the UK were to leave entirely.
Please do not treat this flippantly, I am not the only person here who is worried about the situation.

The rights to free movement and residency within the EU countries would cease to exist - would help with some unwanted immigration in UK but would prevent automatic rights. There could be exemptions etc for people already living in another country - depends what the agreement would be. There would it seems need to be visa waiver agreements too. We would also need to queue in the non EU queues at the immigration desks!

Gosh what fun it is all going to be - get out of Europe and loose the support of the worlds largest trading block and be in competition with them for trade and annoy the USA, who sensibly see our contribution as a valuable tool in Europe.

Lose Scotland and become even smaller.

Have the tiniest army and navy we have ever had but ensure all the boys have their toys in Trident - but at the same time tell them that we can't actually use it if push comes to shove because we will need the USA's permission

trisher seems there aren't that many with a gsoh
I thought your notion for a bit of light relief before the serious stuff starts was a good idea, anyway.

As someone has said upthread, the majority of us (and we all seem a pretty clued-up lot) have not the faintest idea of all the implications of being in or out of the EU; so the idea of a referendum is complete nonsense IMHO. I imagine many people (like my brother!) will simply vote to try and "keep the foreigners out" without having the faintest clue what the financial, legal and social implications might be.

I count myself as an ignorant one, and I've done a bit of this education lark.

Is the Great British Public much concerned about EU membership? I am/we are because it directly affects us but I wonder what the turn out to vote would actually be. If only 66% of us could be bothered to vote in a general election despite the hype will it only be those of us specifically interested one way or another who would actually turn up at the polling stations?