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Cameron - a "shrewd & malevolent psychopath"?

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soontobe Mon 08-Jun-15 21:31:04

Having read his words that he apparently said, I can see why there was a muddle. I dont think he meant them how it was reported. Could be wrong.

absent Mon 08-Jun-15 21:03:08

Oh JessM No one is brain-damaged these days; they have learning difficulties. So that's okay then.

JessM Mon 08-Jun-15 21:00:47

Very difficult to judge really whether he is stupid and lucky, with some good advisers put in by the Party, or whether he is wily and malevolent.
If he was a character in a novel (one by Jilly Cooper probably) who would ever believe that, in real life, he could get away with:
* 2010 election - "Vote Blue - get green", promising to be the "greenest government ever" and then doing nothing, but nothing to justify it. In fact the reverse e.g. cutting the amount of money the energy companies have to pay in "green taxes" i.e. subsidies for insulating the homes of poorer people .
* The whole Coulson - Brooks thing (straight out of a Cooper novel that one, horses included)
* Convincing people in 2005 that the NHS was safe in his hands, because his family had really needed the NHS when his brain-damaged son was alive. (Not the kind of thing that private medicine is ever going to cover). And that he was not going to do any reorganisations. Then doing a reorganisation that nobody wanted. Then he drags his dead son into his election speeches all over again in 2015 all the while planning massive £22 billion cuts (more actually - that's just England).

Mishap Mon 08-Jun-15 20:53:09

It was unedifying to hear him backtracking and trying to say he did not say what he said. Sounds as though a bit of internecine strife is looming. He seems to be determined to get his own way - maybe he will get too big for his boots.

His statement “For too long we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens so long as you obey the law we will leave you alone.” is indeed pretty creepy.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 20:36:03

Your article was about Human Rights.
This goes to ECHR next week.

www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/06/04/jean-charles-de-menezes-case-could-spark-new-human-rights-ba

It will be interesting to see what happens in the current climate.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 20:33:02

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/06/08/the-tory-civil-war-begins-now

durhamjen Mon 08-Jun-15 20:32:25

Didn't work very well for him over the weekend, did it, FarNorth?
He had to backtrack pretty quickly on telling his cabinet that if they did not vote to stay in the EU, they would be sacked.
Did you see the reporters laughing at the idea that they had all got it wrong yesterday?

FarNorth Mon 08-Jun-15 20:27:17

Not that I am suggesting such a thing, but here is a thought-provoking article from the Guardian :
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/01/david-cameron-moriarty-downing-street-radical-thatcher

(For those who don't like links, the title of this thread gives a good clue, so you can just go from there. smile)