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Cameron - a "shrewd & malevolent psychopath"?

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FarNorth Mon 08-Jun-15 20:27:17

Not that I am suggesting such a thing, but here is a thought-provoking article from the Guardian :
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/01/david-cameron-moriarty-downing-street-radical-thatcher

(For those who don't like links, the title of this thread gives a good clue, so you can just go from there. smile)

durhamjen Sat 20-Jun-15 00:02:06

Who would you prefer to be in charge, a shrew and malevolent psychopath, or this idiot?

www.politics.co.uk//news/2015/06/15/boris-johnson-girls-are-hormone-filled-and-prone-to-weeping

Can you imagine giving him the keys to number 10?

FarNorth Sat 20-Jun-15 00:23:49

Unfortunately I can imagine him getting them, all the same.

durhamjen Sat 20-Jun-15 00:31:36

I think you are up too late, FarNorth. That's what's making you pessimistic.

www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-24ba-The-road-to-end-George-Osborne

Will seeing this later on today cheer you up?

FarNorth Sat 20-Jun-15 00:55:49

Only if I then see Labour voting as an opposition and not backing the Tories or abstaining.
Even if that happens, the Tories can win.

( Do I hear cries of Oh, Goody at the back, there?)

trisher Sat 20-Jun-15 09:30:14

Anyone who doubts that they are in it for the money look at the "Top Trumps" they are selling off.
Anyone who would like to object please sign
weownit.org.uk/take-action/dont-sell-our-top-trumps

durhamjen Sat 20-Jun-15 11:28:29

Have they not already hived off NATS and the Student Loan Company?

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/you-may-disagree-with-him-but-jeremy-corbyn-has-a-key-role-in-labour-race-10325796.html

Why we need Jeremy Corbyn.

trisher Sat 20-Jun-15 16:14:55

I think it was the debt they sold dj and this is the company- may be wrong.

durhamjen Sat 20-Jun-15 18:25:36

Right, got it.

The People's Assembly march today.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/20/tens-thousands-rally-uk-protest-against-austerity

I wonder who does the counting; there's a bit of a difference between 70 and 150 thousand.

trisher Sat 20-Jun-15 18:58:07

Thanks dj .Good to read. I'll go with 150 thousand these counts are always on the cautious side.

durhamjen Sat 20-Jun-15 19:04:27

On the news they said that the police no longer counted demonstrators, but the organisers said 250,000. Wow! It certainly looked a lot.

whitewave Sat 20-Jun-15 19:11:22

I remember all the marches that I have been on in the past (CND, Vietnam etc) the count always seemed to be on the low side.

Riverwalk Sat 20-Jun-15 19:15:10

Apparently, nowadays 'they' can accurate measure the number on a demo by mobile phone activity.

The authorities for some reason, always lower the count.

trisher Mon 22-Jun-15 13:27:53

Well they are punishing the poor again. Child tax credit which keeps many families on low pay afloat is to be abolished.
Petition about it here

secure.38degrees.org.uk/child-tax-credit

durhamjen Mon 22-Jun-15 13:36:01

Signed.

Here's another worrying thing. Tories want to water down Freedom of Information enquiries.

www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/06/22/gove-offensive-reveals-behind-the-scenes-tory-freedom-of-inf

Just because Cameron lost out to the Guardian over some letters.

Ana Mon 22-Jun-15 13:42:49

trisher that was an alarmist statement.

The petition doesn't say child tax credit 'is to be abolished', and we don't know what, if any, cuts will be made to it yet.

durhamjen Mon 22-Jun-15 14:30:28

The petition is to let Osborne know that we do not want child tax credits to be abolished. It's a bit pointless waiting until Osborne announces it's going to be done before complaining about it.

Ana Mon 22-Jun-15 14:42:07

My point is that it was irresponsible to state that child tax credit 'is to be abolished' as though it were a fact.

durhamjen Mon 22-Jun-15 14:48:56

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/22/man-who-cannot-walk-or-talk-called-for-jobcentre-interview

Malevolent Tories again.

whitewave Mon 22-Jun-15 21:20:44

Whatever will happen at the budget, or perhaps later in the autumn, they are softening us up for something related to tax credits and it won't be good news for those poor with children that is certain. You can already hear it in the rhetoric - "merry-go-round of benefit" "hardworking tax payers" And the biggest joke, those paying tax on minimum wages - how much would that be then compared to what they get in tax credit?

This is the narrative that they hope will convince the public that making the poor suffer is for the greater good. So we must all listen and learn over the next few months from the mouth of those who have never wanted for anything. Clearly to have so much they must have worked hard indeed grin

Ana Mon 22-Jun-15 21:24:00

The same could be said of a Labour government of course, if they'd won the election - and let's not pretend they wouldn't have made cuts to benefits as well.

whitewave Mon 22-Jun-15 21:31:29

How do you know that ana? But even if a Labour Government hit the poorest in society as this Tory Government is preparing to do, I am not sure that validates the argument for hitting the poorest, and thus ensuring even greater child poverty than ever.

Ana Mon 22-Jun-15 21:34:52

I'm not trying to validate anything, just pointing out that no one in the shadow cabinet has ever wanted for anything (apart from a new leader!).

Ana Mon 22-Jun-15 21:37:08

And Labour did admit before the election that they'd have to target the welfare budget if they formed the next government. I could find links, but I'm sure you'll take my word for it! grin

whitewave Mon 22-Jun-15 21:49:15

ana it has nothing to do with party and everything to do with total lack of fairness in my book. I am not interested in which party would do what, that to me, is totally immaterial - what is being done to those least able to defend themselves like the children - who have seen from the start of this wretched government their lives being undermined by cuts from benefits, sure start centres, etc and which will, after the next budget bring even more pressure to bear on them, is nothing short of scandalous. I wouldn't care which government was in power I would feel the same.

Ana Mon 22-Jun-15 21:58:51

Yes, I understand your position whitewave, although to be fair, this is the 'Cameron - a shrewd & malevolent psychopath' thread.