Just how arrogant are the anti-EU Conservatives?

Yes and also his stand on refugees. The mistake he made was saying we all sympathise with their plight and would wish to help whenever possible.
Maybe we should point him to some posts on GN which show that is not the case.

Watching Questiontime, and Alex, SNP, is the most sensible one on the panel, particularly about Europe.

I say again that it is possible to be SNP and pro Scotland without being anti British.

I'm sure you would, but I suspect he's a bit too left-wing for many.

If I was a member still I would vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
In fact if he got elected I might even join again.

Meanwhile, the only realistic alternative party can't even come up with a credible leader...

Just thought I'd be polite rather than say what I really think.

Why would it be 'nice'? Talk about flogging a dead horse...

Yes, but it would be nice to have a chance to get rid of the government in its first 100 days. A vote of confidence would probably be lost now.

Why is it arrogant to be an anti eu conservative, yet ok to be an anti british SNP.

If you read my OP magpie123 I did not say it was arrogant to be an anti-EU Conservative. What I was objecting to was the rather bigoted choice of name "Conservatives for Britain" as if those who are pro being part of Europe could not be "for Britain".

It seems to me to be along much the same lines as the growing "Daily Mail" style of morality which seems to say "I know I am right therefore my beliefs are not only the truth but moral and accordingly your views are immoral and wrong.

nigglenellie I think I will start a new thread with this question.

Perhaps Labour abstained because there are more important things for our country than playing silly buggers involving party politics DJen?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/16/labour-eu-referendum-strategy-cameron

I think the points made in this article make more sense than just saying 'Labour should take any opportunity to go against the government on the EU vote'.

There's a question?!!!!!!!!

Why is it arrogant to be an anti eu conservative, yet ok to be an anti british SNP.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2015/06/16/comment-tories-might-pull-their-hair-out-but-they-re-not-goi

According to this, Cameron is not going to get what he wants from the EU anyway.
I am not sure what happened in parliament today. Labour had an ideal opportunity to beat the government and decided to abstain, or "We have been abstained" as a spokesperson put it. That seems ridiculous to me.
Surely Labour should take any opportunity to go against the government on the EU vote.

The only other one I can think of is Iceland -

Switzerland and Norway are two, although I believe the cost of living in those countries is high. There are other successful European countries not in the EU soontobe. Have a Google!

I want a referendum. I want a choice. I want a say.

Brenda - which European countries are not in the EU and are still successful?

G1 I have nothing in theory against a referendum, in fact I think they are a force for good. However it seems to me to be doing exactly what everyone warned would happen. If you remember right up to the election all our focus was on the economy, the deficit and the debt. My argument is that a referendum would have been better left until our immediate problems have been dealt with. Once again Tory supporters will watch as their party tears itself apart. Ask Major - you can see old the old and new adversaries lining up to bit into each other - not an edifying spectacle, but Tories know how to fight each other that is for sure.

As I understand it, The Common Aggriculture Policy was set up in the 1950s to ensure that Europe was self sufficient and not at ransom to other countries for food.

The subsidy was to help farmers whose land is not as productive as others, within the EU. Minimum holding is 1 acre, which you have owned for at least 10 months.

Just saying, daft or not. Unfortunately my garden isn't that large! x

whitewave - we are having this referendum because it is a democratic way to resolve the issue - just as the Scottish independance referendum was held. why do you have such a problem with something that was promised in the manifesto and affects everybody in the UK regardless of their particular political stance? you may be pro-EU but not everybody is

Rather I should have said 'attempting to create a level playing field'.

I may be wrong, but I understand that if you have an acre of land that you allow to be fallow, then you can claim a payment from the EU! GNs with big gardens?

Well, that seems rather ridiculous. Like the 'butter mountain' and milk having to be thrown away, some EU policies are wasteful and convoluted methods of creating a 'level playing field' IMO...

Of course we wouldn't be having this referendum if DC hadn't caved into his backbenchers, and now he seems to be twisting himself in knots again in order to appease them. Talk about history repeating itself.