English Votes for English Laws

Maybe she means it has to be debated properly and not be rushed through in a few days?

Having raised the subject of the 'Constitution' of English votes for English Laws herself as a question to the PM during PMQ's , Acting Labour Leader Harriet Harman at PMQ's today said:-

" We agree, there's a problem and we agree there needs to be change but it's got to be done properly. Constitutional change has got to be done properly".

The vote yesterday was about process but it looks like Labour , as the PM said , has to get off the fence.

Could Harman's response be an indicator that Labour will vote for change?

It would be strange to hear the Acting Leader of the Labour Party say there is a problem and still vote against it. Once the process and debate time has been sorted amicably it will be interesting to see who votes and how.

From the politics.co.uk link :
"The use of a statutory instrument means the law could be relaxed immediately after the new vote is held next Thursday.

MPs will be given a free vote on the issue. However, Scottish MPs are set to be excluded as the vote has been tabled just one day after they are due to be excluded from voting on English only legislation."

So Evel is due to come into force next Wednesday, 15th July.

www.parliament.uk/business/bills-and-legislation/secondary-legislation/statutory-instruments/

This is how, FarNorth.

How is David Cameron managing to find ways to push through legislation without consulting parliament?
If he can do that, why are we bothering with parliament at all?

This is interesting, and shows how sneaky the government is.

www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/07/08/david-cameron-to-sneak-through-partial-foxhunting-repeal

It will be one of the things the Scots are not allowed to vote on, and there will be a vote a couple of days after Evel goes through.

Did you really vote in such a devious government?

Matters with Barnet consequentials affect more than just England, so should indeed be whole-UK discussions and votes. I didn't know that they were considered to be only of concern to England.

Well said Riverwalk
I haven't had the will to read this thread in its entirety but it must rank as one of Gransnet's direst.

An extract from that Guardian report makes clear that, at present, Evel is intended to include legislation that affects more than just England :

"10h ago14:54
Sir Edward Leigh, a Conservative, says the SNP has been good about not voting on England-only matters. If the plans were amended so matters with Barnett consequentials did not count as England-only, would the SNP support them, he asks. He says he is minded to support this idea, because it would strengthen the union.

Wishart says the SNP would be tempted to back that idea."

www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/jul/07/consumers-paying-12bn-a-year-too-much-for-energy-competition-watchdog-says-politics-live#block-559bcff0e4b032a39a3baf88

Much more important. There was a vote on it today, which the government lost. Hopefully the first of many votes lost.

Durhamjen

I did not insult the people from Hull.

Again you make my point for me, you are spoiling for one of your petty little fights.

Actually though, Riverwalk, one of the four arseholes was from Jamaica.

Quite, Iam64. I find myself avoiding certain forums for the sake of my blood pressure.

Well said, Riverwalk

Strong words Riverwalk - I agree with you, nationalism and regionalism are petty and potentially dangerous.

Some of the discussions on gransnet recently are dire

I really hate Nationalism and its little brother Regionalism - it's petty and dangerous.

The idea that someone who is not from Hull could be lacking in empathy by virtue of not being from Hull is really childish and stupid IMO.

The four arseholes who blew up London 10 years ago today were all YORKSHIRE born and bred.

"People from Hull usually have more empathy than you appear to have" does not say you have no empathy. It just says they have more.

You insulted people from Hull.

Well, there is Alan Rickman

So you actually stand by a statement that there is nothing to get excited about in a whole country?

Any other countries in the world fit the statement, or just boring old England?

Not at all Maggiemaybe, it was a response to a post which claimed the opposite

The Welsh never get excitable about anything English, what is there to get excited about?

What a childish and spiteful comment.

Very true, Soontobe.

Saying people dont have empathy[I am talking in general, not specifically about anyone in life at all], is the new trick in town.
It sounds good, but on the internet in particular, has no meaning. For a start, if you look across everything they have written, a much more balanced view is obtained. Plus everyone from time to time is going to write something that a handful or several people dont agree with. That is life.
On the internet, as in real life, what a person does, should be looked at as a whole.
An isolated comment, whether right or wrong, is really ridiculous to make a charge of lots of things.

Durhamjen

" Anniebach said you might be from Hull but she did not think so. I just agreed with her. People from Hull usually have more empathy than you appear to have"

You are just taking the rise Durhamjen and spoiling for one of your petty little fights. You will be the 'victim' next, it's what you do.

Have this one on me.

Did I say that? Read my comment more carefully.