Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

I haven't seen the Brown interview yet but interesting to see the different views Anniebach and Jen. I will try and catch it on the news programmes.

Exactly. This thread shouldn't be a closed shop.

Ana, that was an interesting link, you were right.
a very impressive performance from Brown, and he did his all to get people to think again about Corbyn.We shall see what happens in September, and all us non Labour supporters are just as interested as anyone else as to what will happen.The Labour Party is set for a real split or a lot more in- fighting if Corbyn does win the vote.

I haven't seen Brown yet but it isn't surprising he isn't pro Jeremy Corbyn.

I'm definitely Tom Watson for deputy. I understand whitewave (and others) why you'll be voting for Jeremy Corbyn as leader and I continue to vacillate - a bit. I am delighted he's been part of the contest, will support him if he's elected. Maybe the fact he's never been a Minister or had to manage huge departments and reach consensus about difficult stuff won't be a problem if he becomes Leader. He does remind me of a much loved colleague who was a union rep/SWP member - great in those roles but I wouldn't want him running the country

Brown didn't make it personal, he gave his opinion on what he believed was not the right policies to get labour elected , and I didn't think it was a history lesson. Anyone who has experienced the hustings for many years wouldn't find his pacing unusual, we have become use to politicians making the best of the camera. I am glad he didn't give support to a candidate and I didn't think he gave a coded message not to vote for Corbyn, he spoke of policies not personalities and didn't accuse party members of being stupid , pity Blair and co hadn't done the same

No, this one.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-would-reduce-labours-chances-of-winning-the-next-election-poll-reveals-10457458.html

Yes, Gracesgran, I was waiting for him to say. It was a big build up for a history lesson. Do you think someone was holding boards up just out of sight so he got the figures right? - although occasionally he didn't. However it was an amazing feat of memory, even if he did look like a caged panther.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/with-hundreds-of-thousands-of-new-supporters-labour-is-on-the-verge-of-something-big--what-a-complete-disaster-10454504.html

I preferred this by Mark Steel.
I also liked the comments after Brown's speech; is he wearing a fitbit? He'd be halfway to the moon now. People lost him halfway through as he was making them feel dizzy.

I like the poll that says 60% say that Corbyn would be best for the Labour Party, and just as many say that Kendall would be worst. Is that the one you mean?

I have a feeling GB's comment will have a pretty neutral value. POGS, whitewave, Jen. I wonder why he hasn't come out in favour of one of the others.

BTW, interesting report and poll in the Independent today. I won't post a link because most of you will have read it already and would rather ignore it.

It had been widely reported beforehand that Brown didn't favour Corbyn, so it doesn't really matter whether his message was 'coded' or not.

He gave what other people said was a coded message.

No surprise there then, he said exactly what I expected.

I watched Gordon Brown too.

He didn't name a favoured choice but he did give a 'coded' message as to who he thought you should not vote for didn't he. Jeremy Corbyn.

I would like to see a Labour ( with Jeremy Corben as leader) and Lib Dem (Tim Farron leader) coalition.

Decided Tom Watson for deputy, I was swaying towards him because he is a man I respect but I see Dennis Skinner is supporting him so I have swayed

"Freedom of Information. Three harmless words. I look at those words as I write them, and feel like shaking my head till it drops off my shoulders. You idiot. You naive, foolish, irresponsible nincompoop. There is really no description of stupidity, no matter how vivid, that is adequate. I quake at the imbecility of it.

Once I appreciated the full enormity of the blunder, I used to say - more than a little unfairly - to any civil servant who would listen: Where was Sir Humphrey when I needed him? We had legislated in the first throes of power. How could you, knowing what you know have allowed us to do such a thing so utterly undermining of sensible government?"

Tony Blair, A Journey, Hutchinson, September 2010"

A big disagreement here. This is what Tony Blair thought of FOI.
That's why Cameron is trying to curtail the FOI act.

Yes I watched him Jen, I didn't expect him to name names , I am sure many disagreements with Blair

Did you watch Gordon Brown?
Nothing unexpected. Don't elect the unelectable, but no names.

One thing I did notice he said was that FOI was not a mistake. A disagreement with Blair there.

Corbyn and deputy between Tom and Angela Eagle

Having seen what Tom Watson has done to the media would make me vote for him. He's not afraid of the media.

I haven't really given enough thoughts to who should be deputy. Did anyone else come high on your list Whitewave?

OK - Corbyn for leader and Watson for deputy. I have thought long and very hard about this and have talked and talked about it with the family, friends etc.
My misgivings was the argument that Labour will never win an election with Corbyn, and I am desperate enough to stop the rot that are the Tories to consider voting for a Labour leader that many argue would win the election - namely a watered down version of the Tories. I can remember supporting Foot and the salutatory lesson this taught me.
However, the time is very different. Of course we still have the rag of a press that will slaughter Corbyn (be prepared for some very nasty reporting). But we now have social media, and austerity yhst people are not beginning to buy together with a very real threat to the NHS which didn't exist back then.
The Tories will of course alter the boundaries in their favour to the ex tent that it will almost become a one party state (so good for democracy!). But there is a chance that we can win back Scotland, providing they don'tvote to become independent as a result of the atrocious Tory policies.

I have after all this and much more decided to vote with my firmly held principles. At the very least the vote for Corbyn should make the right wing of the Labour Party take a long hard look at their policies. At the very best a kinder, fairer and more inclusive Labour Party will capture the hearts and mindsof the electorate and win a super victory.

This leaves me with no choice , no to Liz she should be in the Tory party.

No to Yvette because she thinks England and Scotland are the UK

No to Andy for the silly season comment

Andy Burnham has said that what has happened this week is that the silly season has taken over among Labour members.

That gives Corbyn another couple of percentage points.