Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

No, Ana.

One less vote for Corbyn then!

Doesn't sound like he'd need my vote.

Time to stop fishing.

You are so easy to wind up, durhamj!

Over 600 thousand eligible to vote, and you still do not know if I'm one of them.

DJ

I am not interested in whether you will practice what you preach and back Corbyn and have the opportunity to vote or not but you are intriguing.

I don't think your many posts over a long period of time , which at one time told us to join/vote for the NHA then it was join/vote for The Greens, can be forgotten. It's not the case of 'following' 'stalking' a poster more a poster has expressed her view so prominently and castigated Labour so often, that's the current Labour Party not the one of old .

That's why the point the Labour Party has 'weazled out' those who belong to another party , of any persuasion but named The Greens is an intriguing one as now you appear to be saying join Labour to vote in the Labour Party Leadership contest.

Why intriguing ? Because you accuse some people of fraud for belonging to another Party other than Labour but joining Labour just to vote for Corbyn . If you do vote for Corbyn as you advocate so profusely it leads to you now being a Labour Party member again having castigated Labour for so long. You either never joined a political Party as you gave the impression of doing, you have cancelled your membership to another party to join Labour, or you are doing the same as those you now are accusing of behaving fraudiently. Only you need know which scenario is the right one.

I think it makes utter sense for those who lost their way with 'New Labour' to join/rejoin Labour to vote for Corbyn as he is obviously the choice of the far left of party, if that's the right term.

It must be a difficult decision for some to renounce their membership to another party to conform to the rules for voting for Corbyn but I would assume that is what is happening, rather than the numbers of those who have supposedly 'infiltrated' the Labour Party.

I have asked before what will those in the New Labour camp do if Corbyn does win and they find themselves in the desert, a role reversal so to speak. Will they put up and shut up or dare I say it get the likes of A. Campbell to do his black magic in the dark arts of spin and try to oust him. Pure House of Cards thinking but is it so impossible? The Unions would probably make sure it doesn't happen and those paid for by them will have to toe the line but I do think there are many Labour MP's who are openly against Corbyn it could difficult.

Do you not think it is possible to support a party's views without being a member of it?
Is it not possible to suggest others join a party without being a member of it?
I've also supported Ken Loach's views, and those of Left Unity.
I have green views, as do many on here. I have also said I am a socialist many times. I know lots of others, personally and on the internet, who think the same. I know members of the Labour Party who are green socialists.
Nothing intriguing about that.

The fraudulent ones are those who are very definite members of a party - MPs and MEPs - who try and join the opposition.
It's impossible to say you support the Labour Party whilst being a Tory MP. Even you must see that.

This is why someone can have green views and be a socialist, and want Jeremy Corbyn to win.

www.jeremyforlabour.com/winning_with_a_greener_future

People's QE is green QE by another name.

I think there is a big difference between someone like Toby Young or a Conservative MP trying to vote in the Labour leadership election and, for instance, a member of the Green Party or Left Unity.

I joined the Labour Party in my teens but I allowed my membership to lapse some twenty or so years ago. Although I have (with some reluctance at times) continued to vote Labour, I didn't feel I could commit to joining a party that was gradually ditching what I believed to be the core principles of the movement. I felt more affinity with the Green Party, although I never became a member.

Some people in the Green Party and Left Unity may at some time have been Labour Party members and I think that probably many of their values are not inconsistent with the original values of the Labour Party. They have, however, become disillusioned with the steady dilution of socialist principles upon which the party was originally founded. This is entirely different from the likes of Toby Young who has been a champion of Conservative ideology, in particular with regard to the "free" schools movement, and whose attempt to vote in the Labour leadership election appears solely to have been to undermine the party.

leftunity.org/jeremy-corbyn-a-new-moment-a-new-movement/

Left Unity's statement on Jeremy Corbyn. I agree with it.

You cannot make up the rules to suit your opinion or dislike of one party though can you.

It is either fraudulent or not, IF that's your opinion and state so.

I agree it is underhanded and in my opinion a bit stupid if a Conservative MP or party member has signed up, thinking tactically Corbyn will be bad for Labour. Not my idea of how to do things.

Equally I don't like the view it is OK if you belong to a another party and join Labour to be able to vote, because you believe Corbyn 'will be useful' to your party of choice. Still not my idea of how to do things but I guess moderately less annoying.

I really do not understand how somebody can tell/advocate others join a party if they do not join themselves. That is 'Do as I say, not Do as I Do' and the worst of the lot.

I am interested to know any thoughts in response to the latter part of my post re what if Corbyn becomes leader and the chances of the Party remaining united behind him

If Corbyn gets in, maybe the rest of the Labour party supporters who are moderates will join the Lib Dems and form a credible opposition.

'Moderate' is a weasel word. Code for 'what I think is best'.

Can't find that definition in any dictionary. I think you forgot to add 'IMO'

You cannot make up the rules to suit your opinion or dislike of one party though can you.

What rules are being made up POGS? In the link Jen put on about left unity they are saying they understand if people are leaving their party to join the Labour Party as they now feel that they are being offered what they were looking for when they joined Left Unity. I am sure this applies to some who joined the Greens and other parties too. That seems to me to be people - large numbers of them - trying to reform what many of them always believed in and what some young people feel they have never been offered.

Read Owen Jones: if Jeremy Corbyn wins, prepare for a firestorm I am sure what he says will be true. There will be a shake out and a fight over ownership of the Labour party. We could see the original socialist ideas staying with Labour as in led by JC and the "New Labour" people moving towards a more SDP like party. This could cause some of the Lib Dems to move too. Or we could see those who feel what JC says chimes with them setting up a new party, particularly if he looses. I do think there will be some splitting and coming together but why would that be so wrong?

If, after all this, a left wing party won the next election, I think we would see exactly the same in the Conservative party. I think, perhaps, the day of "broad churches" as is often said about both the Conservative and Labour Party, may be over and I, personally, think that will be a good thing.

If Jeremy wins.
Do people think that that is going to make for a strong opposition to the conservatives, or a weak one as Tony Blair says.

I quite like Tony Blair now. Every time he opens his mouth, Corbyn gets more votes.

Labour would become a weak opposition, but those who disagree with JC might jump ship and start or join another grouping, which itself might turn into a stronger opposition.

There have been members of the Labour Party who never felt entirely happy with Blair and felt that the roots of their party had been torn up - JC might give them a home to go to. This is probably a backlash to the general shift to the right.

But why should the Corbyn lobby jump ship? They are the ones who have stuck with Labour principles, the reason the Labour party was set up in the first place.

The Tories are trying to get rid of what's left of union rights. This needs to be fought within the Labour party, not as an offshoot.

I agree. Labour would probably become a weak opposition.

In which case, TB's other points he said yesterday are probably correct too.

Electing a weak opposition is not good of Labour voters, is it?

That is caring more about the Labour Party than the country.

What! And the Tories care so much about the country, do they?

I wonder why Unison and Unite are backing Corbyn?

I think the Tory voters do, yes.

And that doesnt answer or have an opinion on my statement.

I am surprised that Labour voters are happy to have a weak opposition.

happy is perhaps the wrong word.