Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

But you should remember that the Blair government also had a number of very left-wing old school socialists on its benches. It needed to keep them on track and they were the driving force for social improvements. Unfortunately many of them have now gone and we are left with a lot of would-be-Blairs who are so busy listening to spin doctors and polishing their public image they are willing to support, or certainly not oppose, some of the government's worst cuts. They need someone to remind them of real socialist values.

Exactly - reads like what many would regard as a socialist agenda, but hey we survived it and the UK is a better place for it.
The right of the Labour party will get nowhere as long as it appears to be accepting the economics of the right, the trouble is I am not convinced they do but have no backbone to stand up and argue the alternative which we know has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with the sort of economics being practiced at the moment by so many countries including the USA.

Here's an interesting article about Corbyn by Paul Krugman in the NYT.

krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/corbyn-and-the-cringe-caucus/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body

Absolutely!!!!!! DJ that is exactly what I am banging on about.

No vote for any of them *Roses.

JC (as he likes to be known) only looks inviting by contrast with the ther three mediocre candidates.

Best of a bad bunch doesn't float any boats for me.

Really good article dj, and exactly my thoughts. Said far more eloquently here.

I thought so, too, nightowl. I was directed there by an article on www.taxresearch.org.uk

Anya, how do you normally decide to vote, if not for the best....?

Best of a bad bunch, isn't 'best' of anything in my book. I haven't been impressed by JC and I'm distinctly underwhelmed by the others.

So, in this instance, i don't be voting unless something surprising happens very soon.

So what would impress you? What are you waiting for one of them to do?

This was a very good point Jen (only just started reading)

First, it’s really important to understand that the austerity policies of the current government are not, as much of the British press portrays them, the only responsible answer to a fiscal crisis.

I am still trying to work out how DC and GO have pulled the wool over so many people eyes.

Corbyn gets my vote. I know he will not be an election winner but his philosophy and values are closer to my own than others. I think if he can lead the party away from right of centre and provide an active opposition this will give time for other potential leaders to regroup and re-establish a proper left of centre Labour party that is electable.

In the USA they pulled themselves out of economic crisis via the New Deal..the opposite of austerity!

I love this man ...

the whole austerian ideology is based on fantasy economics, while it’s actually the anti-austerians who are basing their views on the best evidence from modern macroeconomic theory and evidence.

Okay, you may be getting most of the article but it's worth it.

Nonetheless, all the contenders for Labour leadership other than Mr. Corbyn have chosen to accept the austerian ideology in full, including accepting false claims that Labour was fiscally irresponsible and that this irresponsibility caused the crisis. As Simon Wren-Lewis says, when Labour supporters reject this move, they aren’t “moving left”, they’re refusing to follow a party elite that has decided to move sharply to the right.

Why are we not hearing more of this!

I shall definitely now see many of the current leadership on the "cringe" of the party after reading this.

DC and GO have the media batting for them, and the voter rarely questions what they see as headlines IMO

Last para:

I don’t fully understand the apparent moral collapse of New Labour after an election that was not, if you look at the numbers, actually an overwhelming public endorsement of the Tories. But should we really be surprised if many Labour supporters still believe in what their party used to stand for, and are unwilling to support the Cringe Caucus in its flight to the right?

Thank you so much Jen and keep "banging on Whitewave

So right in 16:37:04 Whitewave. The media has been pathetic when it comes to putting both points of view in recent times and has made no attempt to rubbish what are rubbish theories.

I am so please to read this as I have never seen myself as "far left" but no one has been putting any of the fundamentals of any sort of socialism forward.

Penstemmon you are right about the New Deal and we did the same after the war with the building programmes etc. Keynesian economics , which is what this is, has been agree by most politicians for decades but began to be overturned by MT and now by DC and GO.

pleased not please

That's what I've been saying since the election, Gracesgran. I do not understand why the Labour party capitulated, when their share of the vote had gone up. The vote on the welfare package was an absolute farce. Corbyn was the only one who opposed the cuts in that vote. What was the point of the front bench abstaining, even if some of Osborne's ideas were ripped from the Labour manifesto?
They are supposed to be the opposition, so why not oppose what you do not believe in?

Corbynomics is actually green QE, renamed by Corbyn the People's QE. A brilliant idea. Instead of giving money to the banks, why not give it to councils, housing associations, etc., and get the country working instead of claiming benefits. All that giving money to the banks did was increase the top bonuses after it had stopped them going bust.

Another thing I read today was about the minimum wage in America. They are talking about doubling it to $15. I am surprised it is so low at the moment. Naturally, the big companies are throwing up their hands in horror and saying they cannot afford it. It has been worked out that it will put the cost of a Big Mac up by 22c.

well, not too long to go to find out who the leader will be, but we thought you were a Greens supporter DJen ( you told us you were) have you switched to Labour now?
Andy Burnham is doing his darndest to win.I prefer him to Harriet any day.
Anya, I understand your doubts about a lot of them.

We need each candidate to comment on this article. It would give us a much better idea then.

What a lovely breath of fresh air this article is thank you dj

Am I not allowed to talk about the Labour party without being a member? Lots of you do. Lots of you talk about socialism without being in any way socialist.
In fact Corbyn espouses Green QE. It does not make him a member of the Green party.

we which we? Are you the queen roses????