Cameron Shaming the Country

Unfortunately, I suspect the answer to your question is yes, there would be more drownings at sea, Rosesarered. An open door policy into Europe would only encourage more attempts, don't you think?

Does anyone else think the refugee problem might be the end of David Cameron? He's already said he'll go within the life of this parliament and he's in a helluva difficult position now.

There would certainly be even more who were willing to take the risk if they knew they were guaranteed entry to the country of their choice.

That's probably part of the reason for the reluctance to offer to take more refugees (not just by the UK),the chaos would be even worse than it is at present.

whatever we as a nation did to help, the scenario of people lost at sea would not abate, would it?

would the awful drownings get worse if Europe accepted more refugees?
You see the terrible footage, and people say, take more refugees in, because in the face of so much human misery, we want things like small children being washed up on beaches to just stop... but would it in fact be counter productive?If the traffickers and people knew there was more of an open door policy, wouldn't even more be tempted to take to the sea in unseaworthy boats?I was thinking of this dilemma earlier, what do you think?

Your time's up, dj. I didn't say you could rule the world forever!

Everybody would be nice to everybody else if I ruled the world.

The one ingredient you have forgotten in this vision of utopia and that is human nature. If we could change that then maybe, but until that can be achieved, I can't see any improvement on the arms front any time soon.

A Corbynite? Is that the official term for Corbyn-worshippers?

The charity I support helps Syrian refugees in Turkey and in Lebanon.

If they are members of the United Nations and a law is brought in that they should not sell arms to IS, or any country that might be involved in IS, they will be brought before that court.
I was asked what I would do if I ruled the world, do not forget.
I would not take notice of naysayers.
I'm a Corbynite, do not forget. No nuclear arms, no wars, no need to fight. It's men that cause wars, often over arms, or oil, etc.

I was talking about Saudi Arabia and the gulf states. As for Russia or any country outside the EU being cowed by the COHR! Well, forgive me , but if Crimea or Ukraine or Tibet come to that are anything to go by, I really can't see that happening, in fact Putin despises the West for it's perceived weakness.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/a-farewell-to-arms-that-fuel-atrocities-is-within-our-grasp/

Not true, niggly. There are over a million refugees in the Lebanon, over 600,000 in Jordan, more in Iraq than there are here.
Do you mean their conscience?
I'd quite like to see someone who supplies arms to IS to be in the UN court. A few examples should bring Russia to heel. Most of the arms come from US rather than China. It is known where they come from; they check the bullets,etc.
Just because it hasn't happened does not mean it should not, does it?
If Iran gives arms to IS, why have we just reopened the embassy in Iran?

Where on earth did you get that idea?
Other Arab nations have. Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey between them have about 4 million in total!!!
data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php
Other facts that might be of interest to some on this thread:
Many Syrians are Christians
Many refugees of them have families and friends who would look after them if they are allowed to travel to the countries where they live.

What would you all do about all the arms flowing into these war torn countries from Russia, China, Iran and who knows where else?! I can't see that appealing to their consciousness would cut much ice or the threat of the court of human rights or anything else come to that!!! Also I can't understand why other Arab countries appear unwilling to take in any of these poor people. As I understand it, the total for refugees in neighbouring states is nil!!!

In 1938 people were fleeing the Nazis. UK pulled up the drawbridge with the exception of the kinder-transport children.
Presumably those of you who would turn their backs on these poor families from Syria (Muslims and Christians!) would say that was the right decision at the time.
OOhh - on the radio now - Cameron has modified his line a bit. He's twigged that he's been appearing more and more callous and nasty as the days have gone by.

Do you really mean to open the border at Calais to anyone DJ? Come one, come all? There may only be a couple of thousand there at the moment, but there wouldn't be if you let them through - and then where do they go?

I felt ashamed of our PM last night watching him on TV

Well said Jen

Well said durhamjen x

These people really need our help NOW! Whatever the long-term solution might be - and I don't have the answers - we can only help the refugees that are already living in such desperate conditions. The winter will be with us before long so being warm, dry and safe has to be the first priority - so many good people in Britain are giving money, clothes, supplies and food - I do believe we are a nation that cares deeply. There are many ways that we can help to ease the suffering - twitter and Facebook are running threads and links to help those in Calais. The only way to stop our country being shamed by DC and his cronies is to shame them into taking some action now....

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991

I hope the above link works

First I would unblock Calais and let those refugees come here.
I wonder how much of our foreign aid the government has spent on barbed wire and fences there. I wonder how much has been lost by logistics companies and ferry companies; far more than it would cost to unblock Calais and get it working again.

That would show the rest of the world that we are serious about taking our share of the problem, considering we helped to cause it in the first place.

How many empty houses are there all over Europe that can be used to house refugees? I would get all builders back to work to make empty houses habitable for refugees; now, and quickly. There are so many boarded up houses in this country; it must be the same in other countries.

We starve IS of funds and weapons. The same with Syria and Eritrea, and any other government which stops its people from living in peace. Any country/company supplying them will be guilty of a war crime. This country sells more weapons than many other countries. It's immoral. The government is implicit in this. Stop selling weapons now, or indictment for war crimes is the next step.
I do not care how many people are involved. They can make other more useful things instead.

It will not happen, but Cameron and Osborne's way is no help whatsoever.
Can but dream and hope.

Every year there is a big meeting of the "great and good" at Davos. That's where the wealth and power is. They really could do something if they put their minds to it.

Just seen that, it's terrible. There's no right answer to this problem, is there? It's been said elsewhere that the EU cannot take in everybody, even if the existing population were willing. It's also been said that tackling ISIS must be done but does nothing to relieve the refugee problem immediately. If you ruled the world, dj, what would you do?

I never think of economic migrants. I only ever think of refugees and asylum seekers.

The people are in Europe now. They need to be housed and fed where they are, not sent back.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34136074

13 million children have no education in Middle East because their schools have been bombed. No point in taking their children there, then.

Cameron saying that Britain always fulfils its moral obligation. BBC reporter was getting very angry with him.