Cameron Shaming the Country

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Terribull I tried to find out if there is a Scottish equivalent of a Little Englander but I think you need someone who live there to tell you. Google did say that the nearest English equivalent to the US "redneck" is Little Englander but that it is not exact. I suppose the lack of guns might make them different. There was an article on the birth of a new sub-species - the Political Little Englander - was that the article you quoted Jen, it was very funny.

OK POGS I will have another go although you haven't answered the bit I did understand and asked you about. Do you think that such people do not exist or do you think it is unreasonable to call them to account for their extreme views because the very description "Little Englander" is used to refer to an English person?

Now to that, dare I say, rather clunky sentence.

I remain affirmed in my mind that the 'context' of when,where and how it is used is the predominant factor as to it's usage and no explanation is required it is self evident.

I remain affirmed - perhaps this means - I remain publicly showing support for or just - I still believe
in my mind - in my mind, (?) not sure about that. It seems a little tautological as we have already shown it is your view, however ...
that the context - well on it's own that does make sense ...
of when, where and how it is used - err ... isn't that tautological again. Wouldn't context have sufficed?
is the predominant factor - most important ... main influence?
as to it's usage - now I think this is where the sentence begins to lose the plot
and no explanation is required - totally understandable on it own
it is self evident - more tautology as you have already said "no explanation is required^

What you may mean is "I still believe the context of the word is the main influence on" ... on what exactly isn't said ... perhaps we will never know

I would normally never, ever, criticise how someone on the forum writes or the words they use but this seems to be the game of the last 24 hours so I felt decoding this might well be acceptable.

Is there an equivalent to "Little Englander" than can be applied to other members of the United Kingdom, as there have been examples of nationalistic and racist behaviour within the extremes of those that support the SNP, ditto a minority of Welsh Nationalists have at times behaved similarly towards the English and quelle surprise some have been less than magnanimous towards their immigrant population. Am I alone in thinking that fervent nationalism is some how OK for the Welsh and Scots only.

Oh my goodness, no wonder the rest of us have fled for cover!!! For what it's worth, I think our government is doing exactly the right thing. I understand that this country (am I allowed to say that?!) gives an enormous sum of money to help support the people in refugee centres, and we do have to be circumspect who we do or do not allow, and how many, to come to our already overcrowded creaky Island. This of course is just my opinion. (reaches for body armour and tin hat!!)

I wouldn't after a bloody rude demand like that!

I don't understand your point .

I stated that there have been 'temporary' suspentions of road and rail links to Germany.

I mentioned the German position on migration and basically I see it as 'part' of the cause for the rise in numbers of migration.

I read your link and the Guardian and they are confirming my point.

What am I missing to apologiser for, I would if I knew what for.

Just go back and read it again!
Then apologise if you know how to.

DJ

What was the point of that.

Read the post and it says 'temporarily' . Argument for arguments sake or what?

www.thelocal.dk/page/view/danish-german-rail-service-resumes-amid-migrant-crisis

So, Denmark are being slow, serious and thoughtful about the way refugees are processed into the country, and no doubt Austria too, of course, they have to sift if possible for terrorists, and so do we here in Britain, so I don't expect in that case to see rants against the government for 'taking too long' to do the same here.

Reuters

I really must stop reading the Guardian I thought it said both road and rail links.

POGS

well Djen, you usually come up with an answer for everything on the politics thread, perhaps you can find one of your inexhaustible links.

Well if wit was shit some would grow big rhubarb.

Denmark closed the motorway link because the refugees were walking along the motorway and in danger of being run over. They want them to walk on the smaller roads.
They haven't stopped trains. They just have border checks and it is taking longer than expected. When the paperwork has been checked, they let the train through. They do not want terrorists going through any more than we do.

"I still think Germany will rue the day it said it will take 500.000 refugees and and I never had a reply as to how they are going to be able to uphold their promise."

Who are you expecting a reply from? I think Merkel is busy.

Not really Gracesgran if you don't understand my 'posts' I don't think I could put it any other way that make you understand.

If you and your do not comprehend 'context' that is not my problem I'm afraid.

POGS of course you must stand by what you believe but I am not sure whether you are saying these extreme views are made completely irrelevant because you believe the use the word Englander for some English people is just as xenophobic as the Little Englander's way of describing what some of them refer to as "the none indigenous population". Sort of arguing that a second, in your view, wrong, makes a right. Have I read this correctly or do you simply not believe people with these views exist.

I remain affirmed in my mind that the 'context' of when,where and how it is used is the predominant factor as to it's usage and no explanation is required it is self evident.

I am afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say in this sentence so I am sorry but it makes it difficult to reply to it - perhaps you could clarify.

Do you think a sports reporter just puts the countries in alphabetical order anniebach - at least I always assumed England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales as we used to recite it at school was alphabetical.

Austria has just suspended rail links to Germany, possibly a temporary measure.

Yesterday Denmark 'temporarily' closed road and rail links to Germany.

The numbers of those trying to get to Germany has obviously become a mass movement by refugees/assylum seekers/economic migrants since Germany unilaterally suspended the Dublin Agreement.

I still think Germany will rue the day it said it will take 500.000 refugees and and I never had a reply as to how they are going to be able to uphold their promise.

Merkel clearly stated just a few days ago Germany will take 31.000 refugees over the next two years. How is this making sense?

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/when-queen-began-her-reign-britain-was-more-welcoming-immigrants

I think Cameron is a little Englander.

Gracesgran

I will stand by my post .

I cannot help but have a rye smile every time the use of the definition to give credence to the term 'Little Englander' uses the words ignorant and boorish. They are words some would/could use to describe those who feel it appropriate to use the term 'Little Englander' in a manner that does not give anybody the full understanding it was used to denigrate/revile another's point of view.

As for using the word xenophobia that is the most ironic use of them all given the person who uses the term 'Little Englander' is specific in naming only one race of people only, obviously the English.

I remain affirmed in my mind that the 'context' of when,where and how it is used is the predominant factor as to it's usage and no explanation is required it is self evident.

I use 'little englander' . Examples - when a person refers to the English parliment , England's royal family, the whole wide Anglican Church as The Church of England, a sports reporter giving medals results ,they start with England's tally then refer to the others , the refugees want to come to England and claim benefits, want to come to England and expect the tax payers to pay, want to come to England for free health care, I have even been told England should have the most say because they contribute more in taxes .