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Cameron Shaming the Country

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Gracesgran Thu 03-Sept-15 13:09:05

This is Alex Salmond's comment on how Cameron is dealing with the migrant crisis.

www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13642051.Alex_Salmond_says_David_Cameron_is__shaming_humanity__over_migration_crisis/

As shame in my countries response was what I have been feeling, I can only agree with him.

nigglynellie Mon 07-Sept-15 17:16:40

Let's face it in some people's eyes whatever David Cameron were to do it would be wrong. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, so there is not a lot of point discussing it. if he foils a terrorist plot, by means of a drone he's done it without consulting parliament first. If he'd consulted parliament and its discussed and voted upon it could well be too late, no doubt the bird would have flown. Would be terrorists must just laugh their heads off at us, it's almost shaming!. I personally think he's doing exactly the right thing with regard to the number of refugees this country can take over a given period. Jumping the housing queue, could cause resentment from those who have to wait wearily month in month out, but we shall see.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 07-Sept-15 17:24:19

Please can they get Jihadi John next. Please!

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 07-Sept-15 17:25:38

dj do you not realise that situations change as wars progress?

Gracesgran Mon 07-Sept-15 17:27:05

Sorry I acquired a Scottish accent - no should be not blush

nigglynellie Mon 07-Sept-15 17:45:35

Not sure that he's there anymore, I think he could be the bird that has flown!!!

durhamjen Mon 07-Sept-15 17:51:46

Proper groups are condemning him for it, not just me.
It's wrong. He said he would not do it without parliament's backing. It is illegal, whatever he says. Blair took us into a war on the same premise.
Cameron does not want to join with Europe over refugees, but it's okay to kill British people with US backing.
Dictatorship, exactly what he is supposed to be fighting against.

Ana Mon 07-Sept-15 17:55:11

The 'British people' you're presumably referring to were IS fighters planning attacks on the UK. What difference does their nationality make?

rosequartz Mon 07-Sept-15 18:02:19

You mean traitors, Ana for want of a better word.

Let's face it, Cameron can do no right according to some people; he can only do his best which is fine by other people.

rosequartz Mon 07-Sept-15 18:03:37

What are 'Proper Groups'?

As opposed to 'Improper Groups' one presumes, ie conservatives confused

Ceesnan Mon 07-Sept-15 18:03:55

durhamjen As a self proclaimed humanitarian you are no doubt shocked to the core at the killing of a Jihadi terrorist. I, on the other hand, am thrilled to bits that this scum has been taken out.

rosequartz Mon 07-Sept-15 18:04:31

Ceesnan hear hear

nigglynellie Mon 07-Sept-15 18:13:38

So say all of us I would have thought!

durhamjen Mon 07-Sept-15 18:17:31

Okay, so you want to live in a dictatorship.

durhamjen Mon 07-Sept-15 18:20:38

Proper groups, Plaid Cymru, Stop the War Coalition, CND, Reprieve.

Ana Mon 07-Sept-15 18:21:50

Okay, so you'd rather the UK was wiped out by IS terrorists than admit that Cameron has a perfect right to defend his and our country.

durhamjen Mon 07-Sept-15 18:22:10

Just humanitarian will do. No need to say self-proclaimed; of course I say it myself.

durhamjen Mon 07-Sept-15 18:23:19

I am not included in "all of us" niggly.
Not in my name.

Ana Mon 07-Sept-15 18:24:57

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that he has a responsibility to defend his and our country.

Anniebach Mon 07-Sept-15 18:25:39

Cameron ignored Parliament , no PM should ignore a parlimentary vote , what else will he ignore ?

Ana Mon 07-Sept-15 18:26:44

The threat of IS attacks on the UK?

durhamjen Mon 07-Sept-15 18:26:52

The whole of Europe by the looks of it, Anniebach.

TerriBull Mon 07-Sept-15 18:27:19

Perhaps those who are not too bothered by a terrorist attack on British soil live in rural, not urban areas where they feel quite safe. My children both work in London, as I did when the IRA's operations were a constant threat. Under the circumstances, I think Cameron did the right thing. If an atrocity were to happen and the government knew they could have stopped it, but prevaricated, I don't think the general public would have thought that having "proper groups" approval, a good enough reason not to eliminate an imminent threat.

Those who go to Syria to become Jihadis, will go there with an acceptance that once they have reached that place they are probably on borrowed time. The testament of a Yazidi young woman who had escaped ISIS clutches recently, not before being abused and passed around like a piece of meat, said most of the European Jihadis were off their heads on drugs.

Ana Mon 07-Sept-15 18:28:36

Well said, TerriBull.

durhamjen Mon 07-Sept-15 18:35:10

www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C55EDB5D1E3518/#.Ve3JR87FJWZ

Even some in the forces disagree.

rosequartz Mon 07-Sept-15 18:38:22

We were living in London at the time of nailbomb attacks by the IRA.
Someone I know very narrowly escaped one.
DD was living in London at the time of the 7th July terrorist attack, about which there was a media silence. Just by sheer luck she was not on the bus, but one of her colleagues was.