Cameron Shaming the Country

Those who live by different rules to the rest of us cannot always expect to be judged by the normal rules of society.

Do we know the man was planning an attack, we only have Cameron's word for this , he wanted to bomb Syria and now he has.

And my grandson works in London TerriBull

Those who live by different rules to the rest of us cannot always expect to be judged by the normal rules of society.

I would have thought that is the very thing they must be judged by unless you want a very different sort of society.

I do find it hard to believe that a 21 year old who has been there less than two years was the mastermind behind an attack . Cameron was furious that parliment voted against any involvement in war on Syria, he ignored the voice of parliment and sent to America to help the Americans carry out air strikes, it has been expected air strikes etc will be put to the house again in the very near future and suddenly he warns the country he had proof there was a plan to launch an attack on the streets of this country, and the first day of parliment sitting

Yes rosequartz - I remember feeling very "twitchy" on public transport in London during the IRA years and I also know someone who was injured in the 7/7 bombings. It's all very well pontificating from an armchair about perceived rights and wrongs, but frankly it's academic, because unless you live, work, shop or whatever in a prime target area it isn't really something that will affect your life. Clearly the fear of a random attack doesn't really resonate with some of you. Believe me many of us here in London expect another one any time soon. Maybe that's why we don't give two hoots about treacherous people who wish us harm being killed. It's what they hoped for anyway, 70 virgins and all the rest of the crap they believe will be waiting for them in the after life. Maybe the women they raped and abused here on earth could be knocked off that tally.

The two usual suspects on this thread are making me really with their utter stupidity.

Should have said three. Another has joined the cauldron little group.

DH narrowly missed being bombed in London and again in Algeria, I do not want to live with that fear.

Such a pity some have to sink to insults just because their opinions are not supported by all

Yeah. It's called getting angry.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/our-government-needs-to-look-at-the-big-society-helping-refugees-10488902.html?origin=internalSearch

An excellent article.
The public help the needy while politicians let them down.

Who are the usual suspects, jingl?

It's a pity that some posters have such an agenda against 'this government' (and especially DC, it seems) that they'd rather the country was put at risk of atrocities carried out by IS terrorists of whatever nationality to prove their moral superiority.

AB, maybe the valleys of Wales are safe, but places in England certainly are not.One less creep of a terrorist, a traitor to his own country, is a good thing.
DC did not send airmen to the US to carry out strikes, my DH was in the forces so I know how things work, you go on exchange to other countries and you do exactly what they are doing, US airmen over here do the same as us for instance.

I'm wondering if those who think that DC didn't act in the correct manner would also condemn the three brave American servicemen who overpowered the terrorist armed with guns on the train in France recently, as a tad too heavy handed and a bit too rough and nasty

Rosesarered, please do not suggest I am only concerned with my own safety, the airmen were sent to America to take part in the air strikes , there was no exchange, if there had been Cameron would have said

I would have thought that is the very thing they must be judged by unless you want a very different sort of society

Well, it is they who want a very different sort of society.

Their mindset and way of thinking is way beyond the scope of our society.
So you would suggest a trial, perhaps a conviction with a reasonable sentence to be halved, a short term in prison with all the rights expected of a prisoner today, appeals on the grounds of human rights, lawyers getting rich, then release and a return to murderous acts.

Yes, that is the way of our society.

TerriBull, I think those three men were very brave and fully deserved the honour bestowed on them by France.

I am saying we don't know if Cameron is telling the truth ,

Wow the claws are out,

maybe the valleys of Wales are safe I think some of the IS members were from Cardiff, but not from anywhere near some posters on here (but a bit close to home for some of us!)

Wow the claws are out

Some have been out for some time!

'there was no exchange, if there had been Cameron would have said'

If he had done, would you have believed him anyway?

I expect the government will expand on the evidence and reasons behind the killing of this individual.

I have no regard for Islamic state, or the IRA and don't need any reminder's about the threats and damage these people have caused. Despite this, as I listened to the news reports this afternoon, I confess that it reminded me of the reports of Weapons of Mass Destruction. I do hope I'm wrong and that there is clear evidence the man who was killed was indeed behind one planned attack this summer. As the attack was foiled, maybe we'll never know.

I repeat, I'm not defending anything that the dreadful Islamic State does but the last thing any of us need is our government to take action that with the benefit of hindsight can't be justified. Like illegal invasions and wars for example.

Like illegal invasions and wars for example.
No, we don't want that, it will just make things even worse.

I'd be interested to know why he thought of telling us about it in the middle of a speech on refugees.
Perhaps he will tell us tomorrow in the emergency debate.

I cannot see anything in the statement about refugees today that is new.
No new money; only 20,000 refugees over five years, and only from the camps in Syria.
I would have thought he could have done something about Calais to ease the situation there.

This makes me laugh.

He told MPs: “We will continue to show the world that this country is a country of extraordinary compassion, always standing up for our values and helping those in need.”

The country might be. The government isn't.