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Teetime Sat 12-Sept-15 11:45:58

Bugger it that's the next election lost.

rosesarered Mon 14-Sept-15 11:08:39

It's their job for heavens sake! The press, to ask questions. If he doesn't like it he shouldn't have become Leader.
In answer to your polite question Djen, I think that Yvette Cooper is up to the job, and should have got it, in an ideal world.

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 11:11:20

Yes I do mean the press Gracesgran, Rebekah Brooks given horses by the Met, dinners with the Cammerons etc . Not just knives out for Corbyn but swords, if these attacks keep coming from the Labour Party and Corbyn is not given a chance as leader I will resign from the party .

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 14-Sept-15 11:13:23

ab, I heard that on the Today programme this morning. I can't remember who said it. (I was sleepy) But I was awake enough to feel alarmed. I imagine the country going back to how it was in the 70s.

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 11:15:08

It's where the government wants your imagination to go jingle

rosequartz Mon 14-Sept-15 11:17:27

sunseeker the first paragraph of your post applies to me too.

So anyone who assumes that any person who has misgivings about Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader of the Labour Party are dyed-in-the-wool Tories from a privileged background in the shires is wrong.

People were uncomfortable with Ed Miliband's close alliance with the Trade Unions.
However, I don't know why this happened - can anyone enlighten me what really went on?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trade-union-leader-mark-serwotka-banned-from-voting-in-labour-leadership-election-10471851.html

soontobe Mon 14-Sept-15 11:17:31

Going by the last few days only, I would have said that the BBC were right wing.

I am not sure that JC is actually going to like his new job.
If he is mild mannered and doesnt like confrontation, being leader of the Labour Party is not going to suit him much I dont think.

soontobe Mon 14-Sept-15 11:20:18

Everything is going to take him a very long time too, if he is going to try and achieve consensus.

rosequartz Mon 14-Sept-15 11:33:06

Unless Heidi Alexander and Angela Eagles are men in disguise and Osbourn and Hunt are realy female grin
Hilary Benn? (oh, sorry my mistake, Hilary, just that I know a few Hilaries and all are female)

Now then - Diane Abbott has been appointed as shadow Minister? to the DFID.
I know she is a left-winger and I think she was hoping - but I am surprised that Jeremy chose her. He is allegedly so principled about comprehensive education that he refused to allow his own child to go to a grammar school (and, so I have heard, he and his then wife split up over this). Now he has chosen a member of the Shadow Cabinet someone who apparently does not share his ideals and principles because she sent her child to a private school rather than the local comprehensive.
Perhaps he thinks it won't matter because she is dealing with overseas ...

Not criticising, he can pick who he wishes, just shock that's all!

rosesarered Mon 14-Sept-15 11:36:47

grin

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 11:39:59

I know one female Hilary, two males

rosequartz Mon 14-Sept-15 11:41:20

Very posh! grin

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 11:44:55

Posh? Are you the same person who said Harriet Harman was posh because her name is Harriet ?

rosequartz Mon 14-Sept-15 11:48:12

No, it wasn't me (have a DGN called Harriet!)

I did post Harriet's own words that she thought she was not posh enough or old enough (I think that was it) to stand for the Labour leadership.

rosequartz Mon 14-Sept-15 11:50:41

I didn't say I didn't like it - it means cheerful, doesn't it?

Just that I never knew any male Hilaries when I was growing up and in fact I still don't!

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 11:55:28

I remember who it was - a woman on the papers review, Camilla ?, she said ' with the name Harriet she claims she isn't posh' then compared the name with her name Camilla and declared them posh , suppose being a royal corespondent for a newspaper helps her think she is posh Stupid woman

Lilygran Mon 14-Sept-15 11:58:44

Harriet Harman certainly is posh by any definition, family, school, background. Not because of her name!

sunseeker Mon 14-Sept-15 12:01:09

Don't understand how a name can mean you are "posh". It's like that awful woman (whose name escapes me) who wouldn't let her children play with some other kids because of their names! I was almost called Guinevere (Dad was reading Knights of the Round Table to my brother at the time and my DB wanted me to be named after her!) Would people have assumed I was posh if that had happened?

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 12:10:50

Never understood what names have to do with posh , I expect the country would have collapsed if William Windsor had married a Brittany Middleton

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 14-Sept-15 12:18:34

*Anniebach^, look, it's in the papers. unions threaten

Eloethan Mon 14-Sept-15 12:18:54

I knew we'd get back to the trade unions again. As many of us have said before, the Labour Party has to be financed by somebody, as does the Conservative Party:

The Labour Party's biggest financial support comes from unions. Since 2010 Unite's donation represented 20% of the total amount. Other unions, such as Unison, GMB and USDAW also make significant contributions. Donations from companies are 3% of the total. Individual donations are 7% of the total with only 13 out of 230 being for more than £50,000. The biggest donor by far is John Mills, founder of JML which markets products direct to consumers, (£1,647m).

The Conservative Party's biggest financial support comes from individual donations, which represent 62%, the biggest donations coming from (in descending order) Michael Farmer, the founder of RK Capital Management (a hedge fund) (2,191m.), property multi-millionaire David Rowland (£1.279), May Makhouzi, wife of the billionaire Fouad Makhouzi who was at the centre of the Jonathan Aitken arms scandal (£908,000), and Stanley Fink, the boss of the Man Group (hedge fund) (£692,000).

I don't know why it is seen by some as more acceptable that a party's donations come largely from individuals connected to the financial, property and arms sectors but it is less acceptable that another party's donations come largely from trades unions.

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 12:21:26

Jingle , the Daily Wail, the most anti labour and anti union of all papers , they would say that

POGS Mon 14-Sept-15 12:21:51

Corbyn said during his election campaign he would have a 50/50 gender based cabinet I believe. It was a question being asked when Cooper said the Labour Party 'should not be run by two white males'.

'IF' and I say 'IF' Corbyn does not produce what he stated then he will deserve to be 'hoisted on his own petard'

I don't particularly give a hoot as to the gender Corbyn chooses for his cabinet as I have never believed in the need to have a 50/50 cabinet anyway, I have always believed the right person for the job is the criteria not gender so apart from showing Corbyn can say one thing and do another I think he has the right to make his choice, albeit somewhat disisgenuous on his part.

What I find utterly amusing is the fact I could find post after post that have criticised Cameron/the Tory party for having too many male cabinet members, especially in the 'top jobs'. At times it has been quite vitriolic and does anybody remember Milliband /Harmen/Eagles etc. sitting on the front benches sneering at Cameron and accusing him of sexism in his chosen cabinet and ministerial positions. Oh how they laughed. It just might backfire on Labour.

I have watched and heard the sudden sea change from those who believed in gender equality, not necessarily on GN, suddenly shifting position to give Corbyn backing and I find that nothing short of hypocrisy . I find the ability to switch your view to suit by far worse than Corbyn ' s choice of cabinet .

Forget the bish bash of GN you cannot dismiss the point being so widely made by most media outlets/commentators if Corbyn does not do as he said he could soon loose a degree support .

Anniebach Mon 14-Sept-15 12:27:52

He did not say the so called top five jobs would be made of two and half males and two and half females did he ?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 14-Sept-15 12:33:07

It's a fact that Mark Serwotka said it.

lovely guy butter wouldn't melt in his mouth

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 14-Sept-15 12:35:19

Telegraph and others have got it too.

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