Jermy Corbyn elected

durhamjen, you're surely not suggesting that elderly, greying men with wispy beards voted for JC just because he happens to look like them? How bizarre!

They've been invisible for a long time; naturally they have been motivated and mobilised by seeing one of their number in a dynamic leading role.

Are you suggesting that elderly, greying men with beards did not vote for him? How bizarre.

I think jen is right, how often do we read that women feel invisible in later life, it must be the same for men too. Westminster is full of young/youngish bucks, remember the days when it was so different, youth and spin has taken over

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/18/dont-let-me-down-jeremy-the-labour-voters-rejoining-because-of-corbyn

Not a single grey wispy beard among them.

*Whatever Corbyn and McDonnell did or said would not please some of you on this thread.
Come to think of it, why are you on this thread if you hate them so much?*

This is very aggressive, dj. Why? It isn't just a JC appreciation thread, even if you'd like it to be. Haven't you cottoned on yet that nobody owns threads on Gransnet?

Some comments have been discussing, sometimes critically, what JC and his policies are about. Nothing wrong with that.

I am definitely on a different time clock to everyone else! Drives me mad as I can't join in the debate face to face as it were!!!!

annia love the young bucks image if not in actuality they seem to try to behave like a you buck at times. (Smacked bums)

Oh not the image I intended to portray! I meant how naughty, now even that sounds wrong, I will quit will I am slightly behind

I am one of those who is pleased about the result, and hope that JC is successful in forming a strong opposition.

At the very least though I want at long last an open, articulate and sensible debate about what sort of society we want. If at all possible without any of the silly hysteria that is so inevitable from the wealthy Tory supporting press.

So much of the choice of what we could become has been closed down, giving the British public the idea that we have only one sensible way forward. Of course this is patent nonsense recognised as such with anyone with half a brain.

Austerity is a massive risk, and brings with it a population excluded from the mainstream. This risk is now becoming clear in Greece with more and more of the population turning to the fascist New Dawn, because the socialists have allowed themselves to be browbeaten into accepting austerity which is never going to work. Of course in the UK it is nothing near the Greek experience, but undoubtedly there many, many people who feel disaffected and desperate for an alternative, this is manifest in the rise of the New Socialists in the form of Corbyn.

For the sake of the UK we must have this conversation about what we want and where we eventually would like to be, and most importantly how we get there. There is not only one road but many and these choices should be made clear.

Whether Corbyn is successful in doing this is will become clearer over the coming months, but those who feel any relief if he is not should never forget that his supporters and those desperate for a different more open, fairer society have not gone away, and will be merely added to if they recieve more of the same from the economic policies adopted by this government.

Ok,Whitewave,can you explain to this simple working class thicko,what exactly will the socialist country be like?

I agree that austerity is a bit of a risk.

Not doing austerity was a far far bigger one.

marmark the idea is that you join in with the debate not be fed by other people. You will undoubtedly have ideas about what you would like to see happen.

soon China is at the moment rapidly going down the tubes and this will effect the global economy big time. Are you suggesting that when it hits the UK as it surely will that GO should turn the austerity screws even tighter, making the poor even poorer?

If spending is far in excess of money coming in, why would anyone expect an easy way out.
Yes, there are going to be reactions, but they come from the problem in the first place. Dont forget that.

[yes I know that money is flowing out wrongly at the top end, and really should be fixed. And if it isnt tackled, that might be what makes the Tories not win the next election].

Actually, if I were on the left, that is what I would go for to try and ge the left back in power.
Because, what I dont think the left realise is that many of those on the right really dont like the top of society not paying proper tax, the banks syphoning off money in ways I havent a clue about etc.
But dont go for higher taxes. Just keep plugging away at the likes of Amazon and others, at the banks etc.

There. Those of you who have contacts, tell them that!

China may have already reached its bottom? The worst part may be over? ][The business sector we are in has already been quite hit by China, and it has just started to move back up again thankfully]

I dont think the Tories could get away, vote wise, by hitting the poorer much harder. Just my opinion.

[I am still working with a slow computer] But as it happens, my post of 8.33am would probably help.

get not ge in my post of 8.33am!!

If we are talking about criticism, I'd put "The Tories want the NHS to fail" into the list of "aggressive" comments. The equivalent in the opposite direction would be "The green party don't want businesses to bring money into the country" How would that go down as a logical deduction?

Or am I naive in expecting balanced thinking on a political thread?

Although some who are anti the left or anti Corbyn try to join in the discussion I have realised that most just try to swamp every thread with nonsense. Of course they have the right to do just that but I feel quite sickened by it on threads such as this where we are discussing a country that is not really recovering, where the wages of most are less than before the global banking crisis, where people are dying or starving because of some of the policies, where the poor or those who could easily tip into being poor have been asked to pay for the mistakes of the rich who caused the problems, where people have returned to the days of no security of labour and where the current government wishes to stop them protecting the only thing most have to sell - that labour.

This is not a country in recovery - that is a myth. This is a country which is steadily being set up to have a class of serfs, bound to their labour by debt while those with large and increasign capital continue to get richer and richer on their backs.

It is sickening to see these things trivialised and I see little point in replying to those that think it is a laughing matter.

increasing not increasign - typo

I don't find there is any shortage of "articulate and sensible debate about what sort of society we want" where I look, which is right across the spectrum of published political discussion. I find interesting and thought-provoking, well-written articles all the time. I don't necessarily agree with them all. I think one has to be open-minded and less biased against what ww calls the "silly hysteria that is so inevitable from the wealthy Tory supporting press". Not everything published in that group is silly or hysterical just as not everything published in left-leaning media is silly or hysterical. Some is on both sides but a good deal isn't and if one can think critically for oneself, no 'damage' is done in looking at both.

Although some who are anti the left or anti Corbyn try to join in the discussion I have realised that most just try to swamp every thread with nonsense.

Most?

Really?

What a silly and hysterical remark!

Have you ever considered that it might just be your interpretation? swamp every thread, indeed. Do calm down.

Gracesgran I, for one, would never trivialise anything to do with this country's economic recovery (yes, it is just that, thank the lord) but I do find certain aspects of Jeremy Corbyn being made Leader of HM's Opposition very laughable.

If you object to a little humour in the threads on here bu then I'm sorry. For you.

I do wonder sometimes just how grim-faced some of the more staid members of the British population really are in real life.

Swamp every thread with nonsense? Dear me! So not agreeing with a comment is swamping it with nonsense? Pointing out hysterical prejudice masquerading as a discussion is nonsense?

Now, in which thread have I read a similar response to an attempt to inject a slightly different angle to a discussion? Don't answer that - we should not be discussing other threads - but I think I could predict the kind of reaction some of the posters on this thread would have to similar knee-jerk replies on other subjects.

I don't think we in the West will ever understand China's economy. I read online yesterday about the whole unpopulated "cities" they are building. The "cities" are simply block after block of brand new, mostly unfinished on the inside, blocks of flats. No other amenities are built. The people buy these unfinished flats as a way of investing their money because the banks give negative interest.

says about it here if anyone's interested