White Poppy

Perhaps we should all just wear purple ones.

To show that we support 'brave' animals.

Maybe the white dog in the photo is one?

I wear a white poppy, but that does not mean I would criticise anyone who chose not to, or wore a red one.

In reality, the wearing of either means subtly different things to each person depending on their life experiences.

An interesting parallel Elegran, re. uniform and poppy wearing.

I'm not going to wear a red or white poppy. I don't wear any other 'badges for cause' either, because I'm uncomfortable with the way it 'defines' me to others. I hold my own counsel privately, and am happy with that.

Exactly, luckygran There is no "correct" colour of poppy. Wearing a white one doesn't mean that the soldiers who fought are being insulted, and wearing a red one does not mean that the wearer is glorifying war. Each to his her/own.

Remembering the fallen is the reason for the day. The lessons learnt from their deaths are both personal and universal.

Hear, hear, ffinn and elegran. I'm another who doesn't like badges and labels and 'identity politics'.

You need to buy one every year though, it's not just the wearing of the poppy, it's also the money it creates for The British Legion and Armed forces.

No ideas for world peace? I am surprised as there is so much criticism in this regard, especially for the present government, (who clearly have an extremely difficult task, damned if they do and damned if they dont,) but no ideas as to what they or anyone else can do to at least try to alleviate the situation.

"I am not sure how the wearing of a white poppy can be compatible with the approving of terrorists' actions either.
Seems like double standards to me."

Roseq?
You appear to be saying that someone approves of terrorists' actions here. I just asked who you meant.

Faulty logic again, dj One statement doesn't follow on from the other. You are creating reasons to be antagonisic and demand explanations because that is what you want to do.

Could someone direct me to that link that was on the forum a short while ago, about different kinds of arguments?

I will probably not wear a white poppy tomorrow unless I can find one in time. However, I will have a think and pray for world peace - though I doubt it is ever going to be achieved, sadly. We always pray for peace at the Remembrance service too.

The two world wars were entered in defence, not as an act of aggression.

On 11th November I will wear a red one because I will be remembering DF (who was in two world wars) and thinking about DFIL who did not return from the second one. I will be thinking about them both and thinking how lucky we are to be able to express our thoughts and state how we feel about the government of the day.
People who are on the left wing of politics should surely be thankful for their sacrifice, otherwise any of their thoughts and actions would be suppressed if we were all under a fascist regime now. If it were not for the defence of our country by these men and women and their sacrifice, freedom of speech (including this forum) would in all likelihood be suppressed.

www.gransnet.com/forums/site_stuff/a1215764-Arguments-attract-aggressors

Odd, isn't it, that some people who espouse peace are sometimes quite aggressive?

Thank you rosequartz. I thought that article was interesting at the time, but didn't mark it.

no, RQ It wasn't that one - I think it might have been Thatbags who posted the link I mean. Whoever it was got dog's abuse, I do remember that ("Do you want the ten-minute argument or the half-hour one?")

I don't really remember the one I linked to (I may have been away) but for some reason my google page gives a link to it

Thatbags doesn't remember either.

Oh, I do wish we had a proper search engine - one where you could search the forums for a word or phrase that you remembered, add in an approximate date or a possible poster and get a reasonable list of hits, in date order, preferably with the latest at the top. I never seem to get any references except ones a couple of years ago, with no obvious connection to what I want, and you can't put inverted commas round what you remember as an accurate quote - it just gets thoroughly confused.

I was moaning about this to my DS, who says that there is probably not a good mechanism built in for regularly scanning the posts put in and keeping the database up-to-date. That is certainly what it seems like.

I've mentioned logical fallacies a few times recently...

It was an online article about how to win and using non-logical and misleading arguments, thatbags

Maybe it was that. Was there a link?

"I am not sure how the wearing of a white poppy can be compatible with the approving of terrorists' actions either.
Seems like double standards to me."

Roseq, please can you explain what you mean by this statement?

It is very simple. Some people incorrectly see wearing a red poppy as not just in memoriam of those combatants - and, indeed, civilians (although they are quite often overlooked) - who died or were injured in wars - but as a support of wars - past and future. Some politicians have a different view. Some people see white poppies as a refusal to recognise the nature of war and its suffering, but as support for aggressors and terrorists.

I am with the pacifists, although that doesn't mean I fail to acknowledge the terrible loss of life and the misery that has happened since 1914 or, indeed, in earlier wars, and, just in case anyone is wondering, for the record, pacifists don't support terrorists or violence of any sort any more than any other kind of bellicosity.

Also absent, going by the link in support of white poppies that FarNorth linked to on another thread,
the link said that wearing white poppies was because peace is a better way to solve things[FarNorth can correct me if I have not repeated the link quite correctly].

[it is but peace has to come from both sides for there to be peace].

So the wearing of white poppies at the same time as the red ones is seen by some people[myself included] as being disrespectful.
As I have said elsewhere, nothing wrong with wearing them on a different date.

I dont know about anyone else, but I have never seen one, let alone someone wearing one.