White Poppy

The reason Corbyn is now the leader of the Labour Party is because he does not do spin. That's why lots of people voted for him.

Something that is "not so near the truth" is a lie soon and I object to the fact that you are implying that I am either "spinning" as you like to see it or lying, which is what you have said - even if it is an apparently spun - as you would put it - "not so near the truth".

I am not interested in articles on spinning although you may wish to resemble a child's top - I have no idea; as I have said I rarely understand you. I say what I believe how I see it or I will question something I don't know or haven't formed an opinion on. None of that is lying.

Fat chance for world peace when even a Gransnet thread about artificial poppies provokes such resentment, insult and annoyance.

Spin is not the same as lies. As far as I know. Is it?
I dont think I have said or even thought, that anyone else is spinning.

So no, I am not calling anyone a liar. I dont think that anyone is lying.

Here is an article about spinning
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/can-spin-help-jeremy-corbyn-debate
They are not lying as far as I know.

You appear to be calling me and others liars soontobe.

As far as I know and can remember, I have not asked whether anyone is a communist or not. I have certainly asked the other 3.

People can imply certain things online, which when questioned, can turn out not to be quite so near the truth as they look.

I would be willing to wear a white poppy on another appropriate day, but I always wear a red poppy in November in memory of my Great Uncle and all the people who were killed in World War 1 and also my Dad's friends who were killed in World War 2. My Dad was nearly lost a few times during his service in the Navy. My Great Uncle stood on a landmine while on clearing-up operations in France. He is buried in France. My Grannie helped her sister by looking after her children - my Grannie had three children and her sister had three children - while my Great Auntie started to run a shop to try to make ends meet. I also have a red poppy in a pot in the front garden for the same reason.

Peace and love.

It is still 21st September.

Thanks Iam64. You are not the first to say this "I often feel totally bewildered" in relationship to son's posts I mean. I had stopped answering soon as I couldn't decide why and what she meant but I do think it is important to defend peoples right to stand up for their own principles whether or not you agree with them.

I suppose "rosequartz" that I should not call people who like to dictate what is acceptable and what is not "little dictators" but I did point out that this could be their way of "just saying and standing up for what they believe in". To be honest I really don't see why soon has become the self-elected critic of the way we write.

So far she has asked some of us or me directly if we; support Isis, agree with the Nazis; are communists and now what colour poppy I wear. Some of which is insulting and none of which is her business. I refer to people who obviously feel they have a right to tell people what to do as "little dictators" and we get these nasty insinuations of "I know what you are doing". As has been said that is more then I can say when it come to soon herself - I have no idea.

That's the problem with doing long thoughtful ones, Iam. On the other hand if you do them like jingl, a thread will reach a thousand while nobody is looking.

whoops, x posted with soon and resequartz there

"The Royal British Legion has no official opinion on the wearing of white poppies, stating that it is a matter of choice, the Legion doesn't have a problem whether you wear a red one or a white one, both or none at all."

It's a shame others do not take notice of the RBL.
By the way, I have collected door to door for the RBL while wearing a white poppy. Nobody said they were not going to buy one because I was wearing it.

Gracesgran - you aren't on you down in being completely lost in response to soon's post. I usually follow what people on this forum mean by their posts. Not so with soon - I often feel totally bewildered. I was not bewildered by your comment about white poppy wearers feeling that "white is better" soon, it was clear you were having a real go at those who wear them. You obviously feel the only poppy to wear is a red one.

Can I be clear, I have pals who wear white poppies. I always wear a red one. Last year I knitted a lot of red poppies, to the British Legion pattern. They were sold and any funds given to the British Legion. I'm a lefty as everyone on here knows. that doesn't mean I'm not aware of the sacrifices made by those who serve. I have family members who fought in WW1 and 1, a great grandfather who was a fusileer during the indian Mutiny (and how I wish I could talk to him about that ). In addition, I've worked as a sw with people suffering because of their service to this country, both as 'clients' and as colleagues.

As others on this thread have said. It doesn't matter a jot what colour your poppy is, what matters is that you are a thinking member of our society and showing your respect for those who have fallen

Perhaps those who seem like little dictators are not that either but just saying and standing up for what they believe in - the colour of a poppy

Well, not quite sure who the 'little dictators' are but that does come across as a bit aggressive imo.
But it is probably not meant to I'm sure .

Slightly off piste, but has anyone ever grown white poppies?

I have grown red ones, pink ones and Danish flag ones (they were lovely)
I've never seen white ones growing in gardens but they must do.

Your last 2 paragraphs of post 15.31pm

You really want me to disect it?
You will say it is nit-picking. You will say this and that.

It isnt just that post. When people really read some of the posts you write, and untangle them, some of them are not saying what they first or even appear to mean.

I dont really want to go into dissection. And I would have thought neither would you want to me to disect further of your posts.

I did one slightly this morning didn't I . Which was just as well in that one as the points were minimised to such an extent

I have absolutely no idea what you are accusing me of soon but if you are going to accuse someone you might explain what the accusation is. Surely that is simple justice. I really mean it soon, I have no idea what you are talking about and do not like to be accused without the accusation made clear.

If anyone else can make sense of this do, please, explain as I am completely lost.

You are well aware of what you do Gracesgran. And so am I.

Annie

Except that white poppy holders think that white is better, and dont actually wear the red ones

For heavens sake soon you will be re-running the Big Endian, Little Endian rebellions if you are not careful. How much more nit-picking can you do.

Quite, quite ridiculous. Can you not see that there are also some red poppy wearers who do not wear white poppies, some white poppy wearers who do not wear red, some who wear both and some who neither and they all have a right to do just that. Some in each camp will have thought carefully about what they do, some will have just done as they have always done, and some will have given it no thought at all and no one but no one has any right to expect them to do differently just because they think they should while everyone but everyone has the right to explain why they do so it if they choose to.

Not actually saying what they appear to be saying, what do you mean soon?

Spinning is going on.
A bit harder to do when things are written.

I find some posters, when you actually disect what they write, are not actually saying what they appear to be saying.

Except that white poppy holders think that white is better, and dont actually wear the red ones. Some of them.

Good posts Elegran and trisher.