Jeremy Corbyn Elected

Or try accepting the truth even if it doesn't please Anya

PS We saw democracy in action earlier this year - it was called an election.

Yes Anya, and I accept it , why do you find you cannot do the same over the delegates votes today

Goodness me. Do those who have debated politics on here for as long as I can remember really not know how this works? Don't the Lib Dems decide the policies through conference too? I'm not sure how the SNP works but given that they see themselves as democrats I would have thought they may well do something similar.

I think it is probably only the Conservatives who have policy handed down and very set piece presentation at their conference and, of course, one man decides UKIP policy, then says others are writing some of them and then tells them they are wrong and it's not going to happen.

"It is not the duty of government to provide every citizen with the perfect home, but it is a symptom of failure when tens of thousands are unhoused. New government figures show 13,850 additional households officially entered that category in England between April and June this year – a 5% increase on the previous quarter. This conforms to an upward trend since 2010 in the full range of housing deprivation. In London, where the problem is most acute, charities have reportedly given out tickets for night buses as a means to keep people warm in the absence of hostel beds."

This is one reason why housing is more important to discuss than Trident at this conference.

"In its annual Low Pay Britain report, to be published next week, the Resolution Foundation will suggest that the living wage will have to be higher – £8.25 an hour outside the capital in 2016 – in part to compensate for the reductions in tax credits and benefits also announced in the budget. Households that receive less in welfare payments will need higher wages to make ends meet.

Resolution forecasts that, despite Osborne’s announcement, the number of people struggling to survive on less than the living wage will continue to rise, hitting 6.5 million people, or 24.4% of employees, in 2016 – up from 5 million, or less than 20% of workers, in 2012."

This is more important too.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/24/doctors-nhs-health-service-jobs-contract?CMP=share_btn_tw

This is one reason why the NHS needs to be debated.

What is the point in debating trident this week when the government will have made the decision before 2020. Poor Norman Smith is racing around Brighton desperate to find a blood bath to report , can't find one so dreams up his own , all his reports include - but if

I am not arguing what is right or wrong about 'the Great Offices of State' and which they should be - I am just pointing out which they are now.

It is known as 'tradition' and whether they are the correct offices in today's world is a moot point and probably worthy of debate. When Jeremy becomes Prime Minister he will be able to sweep away all the traditions of this country in his quest for an egalitarian society.

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Some traditions need sweeping away. How can education in 2015 be compared with education in the 19th century . How can health in 2015 be compared with health care in the 19th Century. Were there ministries of education and health in the 19th century

Traditions have to come from somewhere rosequartz call them what you will the things that matter to people today are housing, education and health. Interestingly enough they are all things that have always mattered to women. The earliest suffragists believed women would look after the interests of the poor, women and children better than men. So perhaps this is the feminisation of politics and the "Great Offices of State" are just outdated male traditions!

Economy today!!

They seem to have been the only offices of state in the 19th century

If you read my posts properly, I'm not arguing with you, but please carry on!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Rosequartz you said it was worthy of debate so I put forward my reasons for considering these offices of state , which are just tradition, have no place now . If we take the five only then the Tories have one woman , labour none, surely what is important is the best person for the job not the sex of the person

We have some traditions which we want to treasure but there are many we now ignore.

A tradition in the Anglican Church was women covering their heads in church, this just stopped, no questions , no press coverage

Untill quite recently the speaker of the house wore a wig and breeches, Betty Boothroyd chose not to wear a wig, Michael Martin chose not to wear breeches, these decisions didn't cause an uproar.

This press coverage on the five offices of state is just a reason to attack Corbyn, with poverty, cut backs in welfare etc is tradition of more importance ?

I am loving watching Hilary Benn with Andrew Neil. Poor Andrew, how hard it is to be a journalist when people are telling you what they believe and admitting they don't all have exactly the same view, that they can openly discuss this and will support democratic party decisions.

They are trying so hard to see it as divisive but really doing nothing at all to present the different arguments - what are these people called "top" journalists being paid?

blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/hans-blix-advises-britain-abandon-trident/20426

This is from 2013. The government hasn't taken any notice of Hans Blix.
Perhaps by the time Corbyn is elected as PM he will have persuaded his own party to believe Hans Blix.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/09/28/corbyn-s-trident-defeat-means-britain-will-break-internation

Like for like Trident replacement breaks the non-proliferation treaty. It means we are worse than Iran.

Hilary Benn gave a brilliant speech at the conference, didn't he, Gracesgran?

theconversation.com/corbyn-public-ownership-push-reflects-what-is-happening-all-round-the-world-47652

An excellent article about how Corbyn's call for renationalising the privatised public services is bang on trend.

Anyone watch McDonnell's speach?

Yes me whitewave, I thought he did really well