Jeremy Corbyn Elected

Economy today!!

Traditions have to come from somewhere rosequartz call them what you will the things that matter to people today are housing, education and health. Interestingly enough they are all things that have always mattered to women. The earliest suffragists believed women would look after the interests of the poor, women and children better than men. So perhaps this is the feminisation of politics and the "Great Offices of State" are just outdated male traditions!

Some traditions need sweeping away. How can education in 2015 be compared with education in the 19th century . How can health in 2015 be compared with health care in the 19th Century. Were there ministries of education and health in the 19th century

I am not arguing what is right or wrong about 'the Great Offices of State' and which they should be - I am just pointing out which they are now.

It is known as 'tradition' and whether they are the correct offices in today's world is a moot point and probably worthy of debate. When Jeremy becomes Prime Minister he will be able to sweep away all the traditions of this country in his quest for an egalitarian society.

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What is the point in debating trident this week when the government will have made the decision before 2020. Poor Norman Smith is racing around Brighton desperate to find a blood bath to report , can't find one so dreams up his own , all his reports include - but if

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/24/doctors-nhs-health-service-jobs-contract?CMP=share_btn_tw

This is one reason why the NHS needs to be debated.

"In its annual Low Pay Britain report, to be published next week, the Resolution Foundation will suggest that the living wage will have to be higher – £8.25 an hour outside the capital in 2016 – in part to compensate for the reductions in tax credits and benefits also announced in the budget. Households that receive less in welfare payments will need higher wages to make ends meet.

Resolution forecasts that, despite Osborne’s announcement, the number of people struggling to survive on less than the living wage will continue to rise, hitting 6.5 million people, or 24.4% of employees, in 2016 – up from 5 million, or less than 20% of workers, in 2012."

This is more important too.

"It is not the duty of government to provide every citizen with the perfect home, but it is a symptom of failure when tens of thousands are unhoused. New government figures show 13,850 additional households officially entered that category in England between April and June this year – a 5% increase on the previous quarter. This conforms to an upward trend since 2010 in the full range of housing deprivation. In London, where the problem is most acute, charities have reportedly given out tickets for night buses as a means to keep people warm in the absence of hostel beds."

This is one reason why housing is more important to discuss than Trident at this conference.

Goodness me. Do those who have debated politics on here for as long as I can remember really not know how this works? Don't the Lib Dems decide the policies through conference too? I'm not sure how the SNP works but given that they see themselves as democrats I would have thought they may well do something similar.

I think it is probably only the Conservatives who have policy handed down and very set piece presentation at their conference and, of course, one man decides UKIP policy, then says others are writing some of them and then tells them they are wrong and it's not going to happen.

Yes Anya, and I accept it , why do you find you cannot do the same over the delegates votes today

PS We saw democracy in action earlier this year - it was called an election.

Or try accepting the truth even if it doesn't please Anya

It's a great disappointment to the BBC Jen , there were delegates who voted for a debate on trident, not one was interviewed.

On second thoughts hold the bull image and substitute an ostrich

Eloethan and whitewave are there. No doubt they will tell us what happened in the vote on subjects to be democratically discussed.

Democracy, eh! It does mess up the headlines.

Anya, it isn't my opinion, it's fact, it how the party works , if today's conference is on catch up you will be able to hear the reading of the results yourself , if they didn't hold the vote the conference could run on for weeks , I think putting debates to the vote is democratic, I would be furious if they announced - trident will be discussed because the leader said so

Is that a better image roses?

We did Jen, I am glad you said housing and NHS, the number of votes, percentages etc were rather a lot to absorb, I know Trident wasn't bottom but not in the number they could debate this week

Annie I respect your opinion, but I do think that this was the political version of a paso doble, with neither side willing to grasp the bull by the nettles as it were.

Crossed posts, Anniebach.

It's called democracy, as Gracesgran said.
If you watch the party conference, you will see why it is not being debated. Most people at the conference think things like housing, education and the NHS are more important at the moment.
Next year they might change their minds.

Of course Tories do not recognise democracy. That's why Cameron is trying to get through an agreement with the housing associations without the discussion going back to parliament.

Trident ? Oh dear , the delegates voted today against a debate on trident this week, not a battle between Corbyn and the Unions Anya, the union delegates want to keep trident because they are doing what they are paid to do - keep people in work, other delegates voted for their reasons, the BBC chose only to interview a delegate from a union.

This is democracy, nothing decided behind closed doors but put to the vote, if you had listened to the conference this afternoon you would have heard the percentage of the votes read out, I think housing and health were top , people voted for what they considered was the most urgent for debate , Trident was not top of the list. This is how the party use to work before new labour took decision making away from the people , Corbyn has given it back.

DJ very funny!