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Jeremy Corbyn Elected

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rosequartz Sun 20-Sept-15 20:42:59

As jinglbellsfrocks had the last word in the last thread about Jermy Corbyn, I am starting a new one.

Do you think that the election of Jeremy Corbyn has scuppered Labour's chances of winning the next election or has it revitalised the party?

Eloethan Fri 02-Oct-15 00:25:59

What disruption?

POGS Fri 02-Oct-15 00:37:38

Durhamjen

Your post addressed to me 17.52

I am not looking for 'arguement' . If someone doesn't agree with you why do you so often consider it to be a cause for arguement.?

I simply hold a view which is in opposition to yours. You are prepared to accept the UK economy is worse than that of Zimbabwe and put up a link which you feel justifies your view.

I think it is ridiculous to consider the UK economy is below that of Zimbabwe and I am happy to stick with my opinion.

durhamjen Fri 02-Oct-15 00:48:48

nhaspace.com/2015/09/18/lets-all-bash-corbyn/

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 02-Oct-15 01:48:39

TBH I thought there are protesters at every Tory Party Conference, particularly if they are in power. It sounds like the numbers will be greater this year though. I certainly don't consider these protesters as a 'rent a mob'. Many will be protesting about issues like the changes to disability benefits. I don't have a problem with protesters at all. Anything is worth a try to get a message across.

absent Fri 02-Oct-15 02:47:43

The UK may not have been attacked by another country since 1945 but I can think of over 20 occasions when it has been involved in military operations in countries as widespread as Greece, Malaya (as it was called during the "Emergency" in 1948), Korea, Egypt, Kenya, Cyprus, Oman, Jordan, Uganda, Aden, the Falklands, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Macedonia, Libya. No doubt there are other wars that I haven't recalled. Just as "peacekeeping" in Northern Ireland led to "asymmetrical warfare" on the mainland, so has almost constant intervention in the Middle East. It seems increasingly likely that continued interference intervention will lead to further asymmetrical "reprisals" in the UK.

On another note with regard to Trident, I recall a chilling interview with a five-star US general broadcast on BBC TV during the Cold War when he discussed a likely European war with what can only be described as glee. It quickly became apparent that a) the Pentagon was very keen to try out its new killing toys in a real war and b) it was highly dismissive of collateral damage - which would, of course, have included you and me. I am not so sure that we can be so blasé about no one really being willing to use nuclear weapons.

Iam64 Fri 02-Oct-15 08:41:39

Soo tobe says I won't get bombed if I go shopping. Manchester was bombed in 1996, I wasn't in the city that day but various members ofmy family and friends were. There were many years when going shopping or to the theatre in Manchester went hand in hand with buildings being evacuated because of bomb scares. Our court buildings have been on high alert for some time as the risk of terrorist attack is considered likely. Bags and brief cases carefully searched before anyone is allowed into the buildings.

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 09:33:36

What would be the point of people who wish to protest against the bedroom tax, cuts in tax credits, zero hours contracts, steep rise in food banks, increase increase in homeless , loss of local libraries and swimming pools, cut backs in mental health spending , the injustice of the widening gap between rich and poor. What would be the point of demonstrating at the labour/lib den/greens conferences ?

Eloethan Fri 02-Oct-15 09:48:46

Thanks for the link durhamjen.

mariann Fri 02-Oct-15 10:40:22

Self defence is OK but most systems are automatic and if attacked these systems will send weapons back immediately.

GcD does Judo and has won medals. She was told that if she threw an attacker down, then she must run for her life as she is never in as much danger as when the attacked person gets up.
That must surely be the case if the UK used Trident.

Elegran Fri 02-Oct-15 12:15:53

But are they really automatic? Surely there is human judgment involved at some point of the process?

The USSR had (still has?) a a semi-automatic dead-hand system, but the decision to launch a UK missile is in the hands of the Prime Minister, or, if he is killed and there is no replacement, there are sealed instructions in the safe of a submarine patrolling far out at sea. One of the first things a new Prime Minister has to do is to decide on the contents of those sealed instructions and send the latest version.

Finger on the nuclear button

thatbags Fri 02-Oct-15 14:08:42

Fully automatic? What could possibly go wrong? hmm.

Fully automatic? I doubt it.

rosesarered Fri 02-Oct-15 14:11:28

grin

trisher Fri 02-Oct-15 15:01:25

Fully automatic-let's hope not. In my experience such things malfunction easily and regularly. Mind you the other alternative, some gung-ho politician having to push the button is almost as bad. I do not understand how anyone professing to be a Christian can even consider supporting the use of nuclear weapons. The subsequent slaughter of innocent people would be horrendous. I am not religious but I don't believe that the use of nuclear weapons is ever acceptable. Trident should be scrapped.

Gracesgran Fri 02-Oct-15 15:46:11

They are not automatic. It needs two keys in parts of the sub that are well separated; that is keys put in by people. Facts are quite important when looking at this mariann

Don't worry about "some gung-ho politician" pushing a button trisher, there isn't one. However someone has to give the order and I do wonder if we really want the person who could, running our country.

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 16:33:59

Even George W Bush didn't give the order after 9/11, worrying if Donald Trump was to become president though

Ana Fri 02-Oct-15 16:38:58

Why would Bush have ordered a nuclear attack because of 9/11?

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 16:46:36

I didn't say he would Ana, I did say even he didn't because he was rather gung-ho and didn't seem a man given to deep thought

soontobe Fri 02-Oct-15 17:16:04

There seems to be an immense amount of fear and unease about with some people.

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 17:21:00

Not among the people I know soon

Riverwalk Fri 02-Oct-15 17:24:38

There seems to be an immense amount of fear and unease about with some people

Which people?

soontobe Fri 02-Oct-15 17:54:56

If people on here say that they dont feel it, I will take their word for it.

What is the emotion of people who are planning to march at the Tory conference? If they dont feel uneasy or fearful?

whitewave Fri 02-Oct-15 18:00:23

Have you ever been on a march soon? I regularly marched with the CND when young, and the mood was always joyful and optimistic! I can't think that it has changed all that much.

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 18:05:23

.whitewave, we could have been on the same marches .

Soon, I don't see the link between nuclear warfare and welfare cuts

soontobe Fri 02-Oct-15 18:08:09

That makes it sound like they are a jolly.

No, I havent been on one.

Ana Fri 02-Oct-15 18:10:36

Perhaps sontobe is returning to the subject of the OP, and wondering whether the people involved in the proposed demonstrations during the Tory Party conference are feeling fearful and uneasy about the way the country's being run?