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Jeremy Corbyn Elected

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rosequartz Sun 20-Sept-15 20:42:59

As jinglbellsfrocks had the last word in the last thread about Jermy Corbyn, I am starting a new one.

Do you think that the election of Jeremy Corbyn has scuppered Labour's chances of winning the next election or has it revitalised the party?

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 18:14:06

soon, when you have a large number of people gathered to express their shared belief in bettering the world there just has to be joy

Ana Fri 02-Oct-15 18:15:58

It comes across as more like anger though when disruptive protests are planned.

whitewave Fri 02-Oct-15 18:16:16

Yes they are fun but with a serious intent.

I remember one march toddling along, and behind me was Vanessa Redgrave and other famous people I can't remember. They are uplifting and supportive when you sometimes think you are alone in your beliefs. Talking to people with the same ideology/beliefs raises your spirits and helps you reinforce your principles.

Absolutely nothing to fear or feel uneasy about.

soontobe Fri 02-Oct-15 18:17:05

Yes Ana.

whitewave Fri 02-Oct-15 18:21:09

ana You misunderstand protest, and are in danger of believing the media hype. There will always be some who are disruptive, look at the idiots who broke into the Commons, but 99% of those on the protest will have nothing but peace in mind.

Ana Fri 02-Oct-15 18:23:16

So what are they going to do? Just stand there, looking joyful and peaceable? Really?

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 18:23:33

There are different reasons to protest Ana, CND MARCHES, peace marches , the anti apartheid protests etc were peaceful. Can't say the same of the fox hunting protests but difficult to remain calm when you witness brutality

whitewave Fri 02-Oct-15 18:23:57

Well if you haven't been on a march then how can you comment?

Ana Fri 02-Oct-15 18:29:05

Who?

POGS Fri 02-Oct-15 18:32:50

'Absolutely nothing to fear or feel uneasy about.'

That would depened on which side of 'some' protests you find yourself on.!!!!!

Peaceful protests that are quickly turned into intimidation and harrassment are a major issue. Nobody knows until the protest finishes how peaceful a protest managed to be.

The recent 'protest' at the cafe in London is a good example. Protesters didn't give one iota of compassion nor had any intention of protesting peacefully. If they had they would not have subjected families with children to their 'brand' of of intimidation.

thatbags Fri 02-Oct-15 20:07:10

I do not believe that 'most' of the people who have been at protests about fox hunting have "witnessed brutality" as in seen hounds killing a fox. Some have, I daresay, but not most, not even half.

rosesarered Fri 02-Oct-15 20:14:59

Witnessed brutality? That's what you see when you hang out with IS.
I doubt if one in a hundred on the fox protests has witnessed anything at all.

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 20:35:01

rosesarered, your post not worthy of a discussion

thatbags Fri 02-Oct-15 21:00:23

And yours, ab, is rude and unnecessary. Can't you just ignore stuff that you deem unworthy?

Anniebach Fri 02-Oct-15 21:46:54

thatbags, i have no idea how many anti fox hunting protestors have witnessed the brutality of a fox being ripped to bit by a pack of hounds , I have but I only speak for myself

durhamjen Sat 03-Oct-15 00:10:16

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/manctimetable

This is what's happening, starting from today. It's not just a march.
I bet some of the Tories would rather be at this conference than their own.

thatbags Sat 03-Oct-15 08:48:29

I thought you were talking about more than yourself, ab. It seems I was mistaken, in which case please accept my apology.

I think one still should remain calm in protests though, ideally, if only because the people that one wants to listen to one will listen better than if one is uncalm.

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 09:47:48

Thank you Jen, be interesting to see how the BBC and SKY cover this - or don't cover it . I think the Bishop of Manchester would be rather amused to know he is dismissed as part of a 'rent a mob'

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 09:48:21

Thank you thatbags

nigglynellie Sat 03-Oct-15 09:51:27

I'm very much on the fence over Fox hunting. Foxes have to be kept under control, particularly, when, like us, you live deep in farming country. I've discussed and researched other 'methods' of control, all of which imo are far more cruel than hunting, and risk including other animals. One of the worse things I've ever seen is a fox in a snare! absolutely horrible. They're difficult to shoot, and need an expert marksman to do this, and too often are wounded to crawl away to die, very unpleasant. Gassing? poisoning? lamping? all pretty grim. Nature is cruel and foxes rarely die a peaceful natural death, no vet for them when they become injured, riddled with worms, lice, mange.(a very cruel killer) Unable to fend for themselves, it can be a long cruel death; but I guess none of this matters, so long as it's out of sight and we can kid ourselves that their world is like that of Beatrix Potter! It's not!!! I know I will get shrieked at, so I'm not prepared to say any more on this subject, turning it into a furious argument. I think the hysterical fury surrounding hunting has much more to do with hatred of the people who participate than concern for foxes!! Again, just my opinion.

Luckygirl Sat 03-Oct-15 09:51:53

One of the problems with protests (which are an important part of our democracy) is that the organisers sometimes set up a peaceful protest but it gets taken over by small groups intent on violence. A bit like a teenage party at our house once when I was young, which was gatecrashed by some boozers and got out of hand.

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 10:02:42

Yes, just your opinion Nigglynellie because you cannot speak for me

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 10:05:17

Luckygirl, the problem now is the internet where troublemakers can group together and plan to disrupt protests

trisher Sat 03-Oct-15 10:06:12

Lets not put all the blame for any violence solely on the protestors. The way they are treated has a huge part to play. When they are packed into small areas, surrounded by police and not allowed to go to the loo or sit down, for several hours, tempers naturally become short. The procedure known as 'kettling' is one of the major reasons why a peaceful march becomes a violent demonstration.

whitewave Sat 03-Oct-15 10:30:04

Protest is such an ingrained part of our history, as is the criticism of them by the establishment.