Jeremy Corbyn Elected

I think it is EU rules that prevent the Government from subsidising British Steel and other industries, jen. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Wilmakfit you are so right about industry- and again, a good example as to where more for money and research + planning would really pay dividends. But it is being done in Northern Europe and also here- industries linking processes to the waste or heat of one can be used for another, and then for the community (as in heating fuel). As in the case of the incineration plant for rubbish (NO landfill here allowed)- the heat produced being used to heat a whole estate. It can be done, and done well- but the will ABOVE needs to be there, and the finance.

However, insulating our older housing stock, with grants properly controlled, + solar panel grants again- would also help- as would street lighting, etc. As said, also silly but costly examples of shops being hugely overheated- and then all doors left open all winter, and those gas heaters for pubs, etc. Plain daft- and illegal in many countries. In the USA and hot countries, there are lots of measures that could be taken to avoid heat being trapped, and requiring massive use of air con systems. The list is endless- and we are talking here aobut going forwards, not back to the middle ages, au contraire. But the will and money has to be there- and as long as too many people make money from fossil fuels and old antiquated systems- it won't happen unless WE push for it- with our vote.

All I see is cabinet member after cabinet member being interviewed and Corbyn has a challenge on his hands as apart from re nationalising the railways I see hardly any agreement with Corbyns known views.

Any amount of words can be used to show Corbyn, indeed anyone, in the manner of being a listener wanting to engage with his party and achieving a consensus to decide policies. Democracy at work . At the end of the day somebody has to take charge and lead and that is what Corbyn will have to do.

The problem with that is somebody will alway have to forgo their principles to abide by that process. The problem Corbyn will have he will always have those who forgive him for shedding his principles and others who will be horrified he has given in.

I think it was on the other thread I said it could prove to be Corbyns Nick Cleggs tuition fee moment .

I thought the Charlie Falconer interview on the Sunday Politics show was no eye opener but was reflective of the problem Corbyn has. McDonnell and maybe one or two others will agree with Corbyn but who will give in to who.

Words like concensus and democracy are fine but they are theoretic by nature when agreement cannot be found and Corbyn will , as he said to (I think ) Laura Kuenssberg , make /take the final decision as he has 'been given the mandate' by the party.

Can he/will he be able to remain the 'principled politician' expected of him by his fervent admirers if and when he has to put in policies he and they have spent years challenging?

Lord knows he is loosing his 'rebellious back bench MP' title pretty quickly and I firmly believe that he would have been more at ease with himself had he stayed on the back benches as he will no longer have the opportunity to be a rebellious voice . Some will call that pragmatism, democratic . Others will call it weak, a sham. The truth is both groups would be right , unless of course he takes his cabinet and MP's with him but it isn't looking too good at this moment in time but there is a long way to go, he could pull it off!

I think that there will be a problem for the Labour party and MPs in particular if Corbyn makes too many compromises. His election was a democratic process and involved many people who had been disillusioned with politics. If he is forced to change those ideas which appealed to the public the MPs who force him to do so will find themselves unelectable.

That is the message I have sent to my Labour MP, who voted for Kendall. He has not yet replied, I shall send a reminder in a couple of days.

Roseq, does it matter if it happens in other countries?
djen I think it does with increased globalisation.

Corbyn was voted Leader by approximately 300.000 votes. That is chicken feed numbers in relation to the general election. The MP's in their constituencies were voted in by labour supporters, obviously, why do you assume they think like you trisher/White wave/Others.?

By the time the next election comes around those who voted Green/Another in the last election who are obviously Corbyn admirers will vote Labour if Corbyn is still leader, that's what I presume given the posts we have all read.

Labour voters who do not believe in Corbyns policies, IF he has managed to get any of them through, will possibly vote for other parties. I say possibly because there is still the thought that I have always voted - so I will still vote for ---- brigade come hell or high water. The silent majority, the free thinking floating voter will also possibly change their vote in the next election .

I have to say Whitwave I didn't think after all you have posted you voted Labour in the last general election I thought you were a Green for some reason.

As for the fact you are obviously annoyed your MP voted for a candidate 'You' didn't like is called democracy. He had every right as a Labour voter to make his own decision .

The Labour MP Simon Danczuk has said Activists are trying to 'oust' him out saying he was 'undermining' Corbyn.

Will he be the first and last ?

You can just feel the tension mounting in the Labour Party and I think a lot of it will come from those who have had little or no interest in Labour for years but feel they are in the driving seat at the moment. Not particularly pleasant people at times and I think a few MP's are going to find themselves in difficult positions sooner rather than later.

Thank you for the link bags. Good analysis I think.

pogs sorry I didn't make myself clear, I didn't complain about his vote I soooo wouldn't do that , what I complained about was the lack of support being given to a democratically elected leader. I went on to say that I have stuck with and supported the Labour Party athough it had leaders I would not have voted for and policies I abhored, but I respect the democratic principle, hope that clears it up

Whitewave

Thank you.

I read your post agreeing with trisher and saying that is what you have just written to your MP as meaning the content of your letter said similar to her post.

"If he is 'forced' to change those ideas which appealed to the public the MP's who 'force' him to do so will find themselves unelectable ".

When that is spoken or written in a general context it is totally rational. When it is written to a person for their eyes only it seems slightly threatening.

Being a bit naughty but can I just say this , It was not the 'public' who Corbyn appealed to but 300.000 labour voters . We will know what the 'public' think of him in 2015 if he is still leader of the LP.

Yes I know that. But he was elected according to Labour Party rules, that is what I am on about. I am cross that the MPs seem to think that the rules should not apply to them.
I agree it seems touch and go, but at the very least the reaction from the party members should be respected, and the proposed po!licies treated with some integrity. People seem to be fed up with the total lack of integrity, honesty and strong opposition, and behaving like children whose sweets have been taken away is not what we expect from our mps

3000,000 labour voters are the public

300,000 not 3000,000 surely?
They are some of the public, a minority.

Has anyone added up the votes the other leadership candidates got? Just out of interest.

Mind you, I seem to remember it being reported that he got a good majority so perhaps that doesn't matter.

This is the breakdown of the votes

Yes. Probably only because of those silly young people who joined the Labour party just to get a vote. He doesn't seem to be approved of by many of his MPs.

Those silly young people are our grandchildren, jingl. The next election three of mine will be old enough to vote.

Jane, there is no British Steel company anymore. It is owned by a Thai company. It's British workers who will lose their jobs.

A letter in the i today mentioned the fact that in April it was reported that the steel vessel produced for a flagship new French reactor has serious design and construction flaws. This is the same design intended for Hinkley C. The US government has said it will not commission such reactors; but our government will, and we will have to subsidise it if anything goes wrong.

"Whether SSI will sell off parts of the complex or parcels of land at the site??s holdings is unclear ?? and the prospect of finding buyers is far from certain. Tata??s attempts to sell its Scunthorpe-based business making rails and plates collapsed this summer when a suitor walked away, criticising ministers?? failure to tackle high energy costs and Chinese imports."

It looks like agreements with China are more important than saving jobs in the UK. I wonder why.

France no longer commissions that type of reactor either, but I don't know when it stopped. It could well be after the commissioning process began. Either way we're not getting current technology.

Can't believe we're partnering China.

Didn't British Steel go down the spout ages ago? I seem to remember there being talk of of wasteful practices when I was working for a company in Sheffield that did jobs for BS back in the late seventies.

It became Corus in about 1999, through a merger with another company thatbags
A friend of ours was made redundant then

That's what I said, bags. There is no British Steel anymore. But there are steel workers. The plant that is closing is the second largest in Europe.

Anyway, apart from steel and nuclear power, this is something else that the government wants to sell, this time to the US.

weownit.org.uk/blog/privatisation-threat-justice

This is the company that collects all fines and debts, and actually makes more money for the government than it costs, so why do they want to sell it?

Note that Jeremy Corbyn has signed the EDM.
Has your MP?

It's actually the Indian company Tata which took over Corus which used to be British Steel Jen.

It doesn't alter the fact that our government is bound by EU rules when it comes to subsidies.

omg
Will we get extradited to the US if we don't pay a parking fine?

(sorry, no laughing matter I know)