And so it begins.

I understand that the hospital where the RAF sergeant was asked to move from the waiting room did so as there had been an unpleasant incident in A&E previously when a member of the armed forces in uniform had been verbally abused by another patient. The hospital was trying to protect their patient from a similar incident.

In that case, the hospital should simply forcibly remove anyone who yells at a person in our services uniform, they would soon learn not to do it again.

Since when has a large influx of refugees been easy for a country, They have their social workers and voluntary organisations adequate for their needs and then 100s thousands of refugees come needing food and shelter. Then these countries are supposed to wave a fairy wand and have a 100 officials and social workers to register them and 100, 000 beds and daily food. Then on GN we read they should be doing this and they should be doing that. Should be getting to grips with it as if the good residents of Munich were not already exhausted and still working all hours.

OMG! They are trying their best, give them time!

The hospital has now apologised to the serviceman. Why would they do that if they were only trying to protect him?

They were obviously trying to avoid another verbal clash that they, the hospital staff may be required to take action on, so asking him to hide away saved them( the staff) from having to intervene.Perhaps next time they will do the right thing and intervene by having porters evict whoever is causing a rumpus. Like they should.

mariann I don't necessarily think that GNers are complaining about the speed of processing all these people. Its the factors involved. I suppose by doing the Christian thing we're helping the Islamicisation of Europe with all that that implies. Very scary.

I do think we tread on dangerous, well trodden paths when people are clumped together and stereotyped.

Every community has a variety of opinion, attitude and action. Most people basically have the same wishes for their families.

FGM is not a Muslim tradition, it is practised by people across a sweep of Africa. People of all religions do this cruel disfigurement.

However I do realise that groups of young men with no direction to their lives can be an explosive grouping....whatever their religion or ethnicity.

Just a few thoughts in my mind after reading this thread.

Do Christians, Buddhists and Hindus do FGM?

Like foot binding which was another hideous torture of young girls FGM seems to be depressingly popular among the women themselves. Girls have been sent away to have it done without their fathers knowing about it It certainly pre dates Islam and may go back as far as ancient Egypt. In victorian England there was a doctor who practiced it as a cure for hysteria caused by masturbation.

Most religions involved . Just Google is FGM religious?

On the subject of the RAF man - he was a patient and the staff had to protect him from potential abuse for his own benefit. I can quite see that they would have to apologise to settle the matter as no-one is listening to what they are saying.

"However I do realise that groups of young men with no direction to their lives can be an explosive grouping....whatever their religion or ethnicity." - I agree with this, which is why the authorities need to be involving Muslim communities in the receiving countries in the task of settling these people as speedily as possible.

The problem is that we already have groups of disaffected young Muslim men living in this country who were born here, and their elders seem to be at a loss as to how to give them a sense of belonging and direction. They pay lip service to it. What sort of influence so you think they'll have on stateless incomers?

It is written some where "wherever the Muslim settles,he rules".There is evidence of this already.

Rose,aren't you the lucky one,you won't see many of them in Waitrose.
Does Whitewave trust the TV then.You don't think they show what they want you to see.

Where is the evidence Mamark? Which countries in the west are ruled by Muslims?

We have disaffected young men born here but not of the Muslim faith

Anniebach. She didn't mention countries. We have several areas in this country (and France does) that are no go areas to the Police. These are predominantly Muslim areas.
Up until recently Tower hamlets was it's own little kingdom within London.

Do you live in Tower Hamlets, petra?
If not, you are just believing what you read in the papers or see on the television, which Marmark disputes is the truth.

Yes I have no doubt of that, Anniebach, but they are mostly of our culture. There has been much discussion in the media about disaffected young Muslim men who can't seem to find an identity in our culture or in their own, and are looking for answers to people like so called Islamic State. Why add to the problems we already have?

Why does someone have to live in an area to know about it?

I find it hard to believe that people of the Muslim faith are not disaffected, and born here. Some of them. I cant see how that can be said at all. In the slightest.

Perhaps because you stand a better chance of meeting and talking to someone from a different ethnic group . Then you realise humans are more similar than different.

I have just finished reading "I am Malala."

Malala's father (renowned for his liberalism and support of girls' education) was in his youth tempted to become a jihad: “...life on earth was short and there were few opportunities for young men in the village........so heaven with its seventy-two virgins sounded attractive. Every night my father would pray....please make war between Muslims and infidels so I can die in your service and be a martyr.” This from a man who later risked his life (and indeed his daughter's) to speak out on behalf of those oppressed by the taliban. He also supported the introduction of sharia law into Swat because he thought it would satisfy the taliban and stop the terrorism under which they were living.

These disaffected young muslim males have many pressures on them to head in the wrong direction.

I will not grind on again about my views on fundamentalist religions - I do not think my views can be in any doubt!

The local muslim communities in the UK need to get a very clear message that they have a responsibility to guide young males and incoming muslim refugees in the direction of understanding of western culture (itself imperfect) and of the true tenets of their own faith. Perhaps this could be their jihad - fighting ignorance and fundamentalism.

I really dislike this tendency to lump a whole group of people together and claim that they all think and behave in the same way. Some of the comments on here do nothing to bridge some of the differences within our communities (which do exist but which I believe are not insurmountable) but will only inflame resentment and negativity on both sides.

If you view and treat people as if they are "a problem", they will become a problem. We see the same with those children who are continually being criticised and who, as a result, become estranged from mainstream society and who go on to live up to the negative label that has been assigned to them.

Greyduster, is it any wonder they can't find an identity? Born here but because of their religious faith not accepted as British , their faith under constant attack , let's not pretend we are tolerant of their faith, we are not.