And so it begins.

Of course migration can bring great benefits to a nation, but not to a saturation point, when it becomes actually detrimental to any host country; Let's face it any government anywhere that allows this to happen would be totally irresponsible. Germany unfortunately is beginning to recognise that unlimited migration can and will cause everyone, including the migrants themselves, enormous logistic and cultural problems. There has to be some proper plan in place for everyone's sake or else community services for a start will be completely overwhelmed, never mind the provision of jobs and housing. Let's face it there are 70 million of us on this very small island so space could become an issue never mind a backlash, particularly from people who have been waiting goodness knows how long on the housing list only to be pipped at the post, as they may well see it, again and again.

In agree with you that there need to be proper plans in place in order to try and head off problems; I also agree that there are evil people in the world. I just don't quite get how the word "conning" comes into the refugee crisis nellie.

Either you are suggesting that it is all an IS inspired plot to infiltrate Europe; or that most of the migrants are not in fact refugees.

I do not doubt that there will be evil people who will manipulate this sad situation to their own ends; but the fact remains that millions of people are living under siege/war conditions and who can blame them for trying to flee and save their families?

PS I do not think I could be described as a tree-hugger (I do not know what the relevance of this is to the discussion) but I am a fellow human being to these refugees and do not think we can turn our backs on them - be properly prepared for the inevitable problems, but not turn our backs. Just because something might be challenging does not mean it is not right.

It's a sad fact that there are some people who con their way into this country who do mean us harm. We are a very trusting nation and reluctant to recognise this. The first duty of any government is the protection of the country and it's citizens, so they need to be vigilant which is why imo D.C. is doing exactly the right thing in taking families from refugee camps and not allowing a free for all. Hope this has answered your query.

It is indeed right that there should be proper protections and systems in place. Difficult to conjure these up at speed I guess; and we have to react to the urgency of the situation.

Lots of evil bastards in this world; some of them in our government, unfortunately. You're not going to pretend that Osborne and IDS are saints, are you?

How do you know, nigglie, that those in the camps are not meaning us harm?
They do not have IS tattooed on their skin.

"How do you know that those in the camps are not meaning us harm"
This is one of the reasons why I believe that all our help should be done in the camps.
I also believe that the majority of migrants on their way to Europe are not genuine refugees.

Rose,aren't you the lucky one,you won't see many of them in Waitrose
Marmark1 about what I won't see many of in Waitrose
Are there any in Lidl? Perhaps I can try there

It seems that Victor Orban, Prime Minister of Hungary doesn't think multiculturism has worked in Western Europe. This is of course a blanket statement, in many ways it has worked and we have some great communities that have assimilated and brought benefits and skills to their prospective countries, but the mono culture of Eastern Europe would not comprehend that side of the equation. However, he is of course partially right there are isolated communities who don't assimilate and have no allegiance to their adopted country and bring customs and ways that are at odds with the society they wish to live in.

Heavens, I wouldn't choose Jeremy Corbyn as my favourite person, but I wouldn't be so offensive as to describe him as an evil bastard! I think that is a pretty hideous description and more appropriate for jihadi John!
Of course we don't know that people in the camps are genuine, but at least they have been properly assessed and are less llikely to wish us harm. I agree with petra that most of our help should be concentrated on making the camps more bearable for these poor souls. I understand that the 'evil bastards' that are our government actually give more money than anyone else in Europe! Well, one person's bastard is another's benefactor!

dj going way OTT again.

It would be hard to hazard a guess who is the most intolerant extreme left or right, in many ways they are pretty much the same when it comes to "it's my way or the highway attitude" I can appreciate that not everyone wants a Tory government but "evil bastards" really!!!!

How about the 200 strong left wing rabble that gathered outside a cafe with paint bombs intimidating staff, and customers, including children, simply because they don't want what they see as the gentrification of an East London area, I posted on "AIBU cereal offenders" earlier Are they evil bastards? I'd say they were.

God help us if we ever get a government of extremes, they are both as bad.

Btw - slightly off subject, but following on from anti austerity demonstrators, Yanis Varoufakis ex Finance Minister of Greece stated on Thursday night's QT we have experienced very little in the way of austerity in the UK so far. I presume he should know!

Rose,don't be such a snob,I rarely shop in Waitrose,only as a treat.But I rarely shop in lidl either.But I'm told by one of my "Good down to earth hard working class Freinds " that you see a lot of immigrants in there.

Ha Ha, Marmark, In my neck of the woods all the immigrants are in Waitrose and the hard-up middle class shoppers are down in Aldi sussing out the

I would suggest that several years living in a refugee camp where food and water are in limited supply, where you live a restricted and supervised life, and you are highly dependant on foreign aid, is far more likely to lead to a young person adopting radical views than leaving your home and travelling straight across a continent to a new country will. So we may well screen the adults but there is a high possibility that we will be admitting the terrorists of the future. This doesn't mean I am opposed to taking people from the camps it is simply a counter argument to the one being presented. I don't care how we admit people but we must do so. The poorest countries in the world are dealing with this crisis and the richest ones (with the exception of Germany) are sitting and watching.

When I said evil bastards I was just quoting this;

"And again, Nellie. Do some of you find it hard to accept that there are evil bastards in this world and no amount of "let's talk about this" is going to change them. There's only one thing they understand, and the sooner the powers that be put it into practice the sooner lives will be saved."

Some of us just think that the evil bastards are the ones doing the bombing, which includes Cameron, and making poor people poorer and homeless, which includes IDS and Osborne.

So others are allowed to say evil bastards without it being queried?

Terribull, are you saying this government is not extreme?

How many homeless?
How many using food banks?
How many being socially cleansed?
How many children living in poverty?

Saying that there are evil bastards in the world is one thing, and undoubtedly true.

Saying that some of them are in our government is completely different, as well you know, durhamjen.

I don't think that some people have a clue about 'evil', or they wouldn't bandy that saying around.Way OTT is right!

Trisha
" I don't care how we admit people but we must do so. The poorest countries in the world are dealing with this crisis and the richest ones (with the exception of Germany) are sitting and watching".

I think you will find this assertion to be a little 'off mark' the media fails to mention much of the aid given by other countries both in the west and Middle East as they want to maintain the good guy, bad guy status.

Ideally refugees should go to countries based on current population per sq metre of land I.e. UK has an approx population of 68million, Finland has a population of 5 million, it would seem more sensible for a larger proportion of refugees to be taken in by countries like Finland who have have a much smaller current population per sq.mtr. of land than UK. The UK will not be able to sustain its own current population if war was to break out in this region. We cannot say it never will ever happen again.

Aid isn't really helping to solve the problem is it? It is keeping people alive but in appalling conditions. The countries dealing with the refugees are, Jordan, Iraq,Lebanon,Greece, Turkey,Macedonia,Serbia and Hungary. They are taking in the people who need help whilst we just send money. It isn't enough.

We could do what the Archbishop of Canterbury is going to do. He is kindly going to welcome a refugee family into a cottage in his grounds, and then a charitable organisation will pay him rent on their behalf. So generous of him.

Yes, he's an example to us all...

So, he's not even going to do it for free then?

You could fit quite a few refugees into Lambeth Palace.....