Corbyn declines to meet the Queen.

And if I get disparaged too much I stick my thorns in.

We do our best for them, but one of mine is developing the dreaded black spot. I shall have to get out the fungicide. I read somewhere (sorry, forget exactly where) that black spot is not so bad in cities, because of the air pollution being bad for the fungus. I hope all you assorted rosebuds don't need spraying.

I believe that is true Elegran

Don't think we're exactly 'rosebuds' any more though. I liken myself to a full blown rose which is just about to lose it's petals and needs to be pruned, sharpish

I need regular spraying to keep me smelling sweet
And I could do with a bit of trimming round the middle part.

But generally speaking I am very easy-going as long as I get enough manure food and drink water.

I could do with staking to keep me upright.

I think Elegran needs to take more water with it Roses

we never stake roses here ( that is for delphiniums and vampires) but we could give any droopy drawers a good cutting down to size!
I enjoy a good spray each morning too .

He didn't decline to meet the Queen, he was unable to attend due to a previous appointment. I do wish the media would cease demonising this man just because of his political opinions.

By the way, looking at the last few posts, am I on the right forum? I thought this one was about Jeremy Corbyn.

We combined it with gardening, tigger, the great man himself has an allotment you know.

tigger, the media twist everything to negative about him. He said he was sorry Bin Laden had been killed not sent to trial , this has become - Corbyn was sorry Bin Laden had been killed . He is against heredity monarchy like many are but this has become Corbyn snubs the queen , what else from a Tory press, SKY and even the BBC who are panicking because the government is reviewing reforms

Yes, I know but I think he grows vegetables. Seriously there are at least 2 pages of unrelated stuff. Perhaps someone should set up a separate forum to discuss roses and thorns etc.

A whole new forum?

Anniebach, I agree but we are perilously close to a Michael Foot situation. Who is informing opinion? The media are - it's closely reminiscent of the days when the Unions seemed to dictate policy and opinion and it's scary.

Yep rosesarered: given the number of comments on this forum would seem to be worthwhile.

forum? Not thread?

We had run out of steam on the Corbyn/Queen issue , tigger( or thought we had) so it morphed into a roses discussion, ( or did it?a closer inspection shows it was more about personalities.)
Feel free to bring it back on track.

Maybe Corbyn should meet the queen as joint leader of a coalition. After all, the selfservatives have stolen so many of Labour's ideas, as well as a couple of Libdem ones.

Infrastructure commission - straight out of Ed Miliband's manifesto.
They even pinched Lord Adonis to run it.

Allowing councils to keep the business rates and spend it how they want - Labour promised this at the election.

The living wage - obviously a Labour idea.

Restricting non-dom status - Labour would abolish it, but Tories would not have mentioned it if it was not an idea that the public agrees with Labour on.

Mental Health patients to be seen within 18 weeks - a Libdem promise.

Nobody to pay tax on first £12,500 by 2020 - another Libdem promise.

Shared parental leave for grandparents - a Labour idea.

If I'd voted Tory at the last election, I'd be asking for my vote back. I doubt whether any of them thought they would get all this before the next election.

Some good ideas then, regardless of who thought of them in the first place.

Yes, you can hardly expect them to say 'oh no, we can't do that because Labour/the LibDems thought of it first so it wouldn't be fair...'

No they can't be expected to say we can't do that because we stole it from other parties but as they view these other parties with such distain why pinch from their manifesto

Cherrypicking the best ideas? As long as we get good policies, it hardly matters.

If those ideas were originally on the agenda because that party wanted them to happen, then logically they should be pleased that they have been adopted. The job of an opposition is to temper the wildest excesses of the party in power. If the party in power adopt what the opposition is promoting, that is a success, not daylight robbery.

Surely a party's aim is to get their preferred legislation through, not to get all the kudos themselves for being the first to put it forward? Are the policies for the benefit of the country or the benefit of a party?

If the important thing is the legislation, then give three cheers and think up some more improvements to suggest. If they grudge the country an improvement because it was put through by someone else, then who is uppermost in their concerns? Looks like it is themselves. Dogs in mangers.

This resentment gives party politics a bad name.

I totally agree Elegran surely you would be very pleased to think that someone had decided to adopt your idea. Especially if you are not in a position to make it happen yourself.

Who resents it? I do not.
So Cameron can't think of any ideas of his own; it's not me and people like me who have been duped. I'm laughing at the gullible Tories who think those ideas are all their own.
They did not vote for them, but they are getting them anyway.