Corbyn declines to meet the Queen.

Gracesgran, I had a relative who was a labour MP, two cousins who were researchers in Westminster , one listens and learns

This alleged snubbing of the queen is just Tory press nonsense . I refused an invite to a buck house garden party, expect the queen felt snubbed but I had better things to do, think they are a waste of money and it would have cost me money I chose to spend on more important things,

Would be interesting to know how many here would cancel an engagement just to meet the queen , I would not

I am not sure I want to be a Privy Counsellor any more (or is it Councillor?)
as I have learnt that everyone has to stand throughout the meeting (including HM)
Give me a comfy chair any day

I am not a huge fan of JBC (not because he is Labour btw ) but I think it is a storm in a teacup.

Gracesgran we did behead a monarch and we did have a republic. Then we invited the monarch back. Then we kicked another one out. Then everyone knew where they were.

I know we did but when we didn't like the republic we invited royalty back.

Anniebach

'It is just a tradition without teeth"

Then why doesn't he make a stand and refuse to accept a place on the Privy Council?
He has stood on a platform of opposition to all things related to the Monarchy such as the abolition of the monarchy, the House of Lords and the Privy Council would most certainly not interest him either.

This is a question I keep raising as it would cast him in stone as the 'conviction politician' some put him on a pedestal as being . Give his core voter something to cheer him on for.

Lord John Prescott resigned as a Privy Counsellor in protest in 2006 by the way if I am not mistaken.

To my mind he knows the Privy Council does 'require' the Leader of the Opposition to take his place as the Privy Council discusses matters of security and the Privy Council is given privileged and advanced notice of any prime ministerial decision to commit H M 's Armed Forces in enemy action.

An example is : Tony Blair (Prime Minister) met Ian Duncan Smith and Charles Kennedy (Opposition Leaders) on 'Privy Council' terms to discuss the 'Evidence for Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction'

Yes the meetings are held in secret but that is only right and proper as they are dealing with matters of National Security.

I'm not sure he has actually refused outright, pogs. I think the prior engagement was genuine and he felt it was more important. It will no doubt become clear in due course whether he does intend to refuse outright. Until then I'm not really bothered. I'm finding the Corbyn series quite entertaining. He's got to be the most entertaining politician we've had for yonks. And, you never know, his approach might even work wonders. We could do woth some of that.

The left wing press says what it wants, as does the right wing press, so there is equality for all.

I agree, thatbags, we haven't had as much fun for years.

POGS, I wouldn't expect any politician to refuse to become a member of the Privy Council based on my opinion and it is my opinion you have quoted.

If all these secrets are discussed within the privy council Cameron forgot to tell the council he was ignoring the vote in parliament held on Syria and he was sending UK airmen to America to aid with air strikes

As I said - a tradition without teeth

rosesarered, how many daily and Sunday newspapers do you consider left wing press?

Thatbags

Forgive me I am 'respectfully ' pointing out I know he hasn't refused to join the Privy Council and I have never said on any previous post he has refused.

My point is neither he nor his grass roots/core voter believe the Privy Council is anything other than a waste of space, has no function etc. do not see it should even be in existence.

Why then does he not refuse to become part of the Privy Council to appease his followers. ( I gave a reason why )

I am pointing out the folly of believing that Corbyn is different, a conviction politician , he can no longer be the 'rebellious' back bencher loved by the grass roots, he is now part of the Establishment and any 'rhetoric' he espouses will be seen as either hypocrisy or a let down dependant upon your view of the man.

He might get a few things through but I have my doubts he will be able to satisfy his core voter on Trident, NATO, House of Lords, becoming a Republic etc. etc. but time will tell it is early days.

He will not see republicanism in his lifetime , did he say he was to bring about a referendum on abolishing the monarchy ? And I haven't heard him say the Privy Council is a waste of space, was this said in a tv or press interview?

The Sunday Telegraph on line is running a joke competition to find Jezza. One suggestion is he might have gone to look at manhole covers.

lily,

pogs, I guess I misread your post. Soz.

I think his manhole cover interest is what I like most about him. Yes, really. I'm not taking the piss.

thatbags

Thank you

Anniebach

You have cheered me up .

There was a suggestion on tv this morning, that Corbyn is on a walking holiday in Scotland, who knows where he is? Any sightings by Scottish Gransnetters, he was pictured stood outside a pub there.

Annie, I believe there are some left wing papers,The Observer, The Guardian, which seems to have become left wing, it used to be Liberal, Independent,The Daily Mirror.Maybe more, other people will know.

You know that competition that newspapers used to have ( a long, long time ago) you had to go up to someone, usually at the seaside, and say " you are
Blah-Blah and I claim my £10!" Well, if they did this with Corbyn in Britain,
Just in my small Close alone there are three lookalikes.

I think there are a number of papers with a left wing stance, The Guardian, The Observer, The Independent, The Mirror and the on line Huffington Post. On the right The Times, The Telegraph, DM, DE, The Sun.

I think papers obviously have a left/right of politics nature.

However what seems to evade those who like to name a paper to try and discredit it forget , or choose to have amnesia, some papers do 'have a go' at their so called favoured party.

I know the Daily Mail does consistently disagree or put forward articles that challenge both Labour and Tory policies, politicians etc. how ever I know it is a right wing paper. I call that healthy.

We are lucky to be able to read papers of our choosing and it is sensible to understand they are not bibles. We are fortunate they are not state controlled and I hope that remains the case.

The Observer is a Sunday paper, so daily papers which are left wing is daily mirror and to the left the Guardian

Independent is liberal

Sunday news papers Sunday Mirror -if there is one- and Observer

Daily papers right wing

Telegraph, Times, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Sun,

Sunday newspapers right wing

Sunday Telegraph, Mail, Express , Sun, Times

One Sunday newspaper to the left and five which are right wing

Daily papers left two, daily papers right wing five

Fair to say we have a right wing press

And does this bother anyone? If it ever prevented Labour getting into power it may matter, but it never has.If you vote Conservative, and you buy a newspaper, you will go for The Times or another, if a Labour supporter you will read The Observer or another.Some, me included, don't buy a paper at all.

I've never had the impression that the newspaper voice of the left-wing press is quieter, or has less to say (often saying it very well) than that of the right-wing. Percentage isn't everything but, if more people buy/read 'right-wing' papers, why is that? Is it because their arguments are more convincing? because they are cheaper? because they have more in them to appeal to more people? If people didn't like the papers they wouldn't buy them.

Let's be honest, folks, JC is the best thing to happen to the Conservative party for years. They'll be laughing all the way to the polls. Even the Liberals may benefit.... or anyone. SNP will also be very happy, as he has certainly torpedoed any chance of a Labour revival there.