Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

I think that's the right decision, but not sure about the way to go about it.
It was a mistake to destabilise the country in the first place, now we reap the consequences.

Wilma, I'm beginning to think that too. Your last paragraph.

Are MPs able to abstain in tomorrow's vote?

I am sure that I would have to.

rosequartz the 70,000 are a disparate group, but their leaders are willing to sit down together for peace talks next week in Saudi Arabia. They want to show the international coalition they can work together. I think we should support them.

I certainly agree that Putin would not be happy removing Assad first, but always enjoys the limelight and being a big player in world affairs, so would not be surprised if Putin did go along with removing him at some point.

Oh good, Wilma I hadn't heard that (been out all day).

International co-operation is what is needed.

'I don't see that our small involvement in going after IS in Syria is any different from going after them in Iraq.'

If it will not make much difference, why do it? Why have a small involvement?

Because we have made a difference in Iraq ( we don't have hundreds of jets so it is in a small way.)So just maybe, we can make a small difference in Syria too. we show our solidarity with France and the US.That in itself, is not a small thing.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/01/cameron-has-failed-to-justify-syria-airstrikes-mps-committee-says

The foreign affairs select committee doesn't agree.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/01/vote-syria-airstrikes-david-cameron-libya

First Tory do say he will not vote for airstrikes.

Can't you just put it into words yourself, durhamjen?

This is why the Chilcot enquiry should have been published before now.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/01/chilcot-report-iraq-bomb-syria-mps-vote-airstrikes-isis

We risk repeating the mistakes made then. Cameron knows it, which is why he does not want it published yet.

In your opinion. It's not a fact.

I do not think Cameron will take any notice of just me, Ana.
On the other hand he's not taking much notice of anyone who thinks he's an idiot for wanting to bomb Syria.
They do not call him the heir to Blair for nothing.

I think it is also the opinion of the person who wrote the comment in the Guardian. He's won human rights awards, which is more than will ever be able to be said of Cameron. He has also won FOI awards, something Cameron wants to stop. He's been a journalist since Cameron was in short pants, most of the time writing about defence, so I think he possibly knows a bit more than either of us, and even than Cameron.
I am prepared to trust his opinions.

Have you read the link? You really should.

I appreciate links, surely anyone who doesn't want them can ignore them ?

I feel very melancholy tonight, as if tomorrow will bring the start of something life changing. It's like an inevitableness.

Wilma, the same with me , there is a very dark cloud looming

If we want to be part of any political process, we have to support our allies in this fight. You can't expect others to do the dangerous bit and then be welcome when the danger is over! Talk about cherry picking! What sort of ally is that?!

Same here, Wilma and Annie. However, stopthewar have not given up yet.

They are having a march again tomorrow, and sending this message to all MPs.

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/let-mps-examine-the-record-of-failure-before-voting-for-new-war-on-syria

about all the MPs who voted for wars over the past 14 years.

Same here Wilma and Annie. Just been learning carols, some of which were pretty gut-wrenching under the current circumstances: "And man at war with man hears not the love song that they bring."

I have no problem with links. If you do not want to read them you don't have to; and anyone is free to post links with the opposing view. They are often very informative - bags often posts interesting scientific and social research.

Cameron has decided those who oppose the bombing of Syria are terrorist sympathisers , mouth open before brain in gear yet again.

Yes she does. But not usually in a serial manner on a thread where a positive dialogue had previously been going on.

Links just disrupt the flow, but of course some are so keen to transfer what's been delivered to their inbox onto here...

I'll leave you to it.

Nigglynellie, Canada and Australia have backed out, they have decided on humanitarian aid , are they no longer allies or could it be they see bombing as the destruction of innocent lives

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/01/cameron-accuses-corbyn-of-being-terrorist-sympathiser

The link to it, in case anyone hasn't read it.
Cameron is definitely getting rattled, Annie.

They do not disrupt the flow , just ignore if not interested surely

Where do you want to be welcome when the danger is over, niggly?
I cannot imagine that anyone would want to go to Syria after all this is over, apart from to give humanitarian aid. Then we will be welcome, even more so if we have not bombed them.