Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

So the alternative is......... Do nothing? don't forget, this is not about our military might ( which we don't have any more) but about showing solidarity and using the expertise we have.It's as much political and diplomatic as anything else.

I would absolutely agree with you rose if I could find evidence that our past activities in the area has destroyed those terrorists that we were fighting, and that those terrorists active in the UK and France were drawn from those areas, but they were home grown. I simply think that we are not showing enough intelligence in our actions.

Nothing diplomatic can be acheived until ISIS is either gone, or more or less Degraded.

Our RAF can do more targeted bombing, and has a lot of expertise to offer, far more than the French for instance.

We are where we are though, and if ISIS is not totally destroyed By like minded countries coming together, then they will grow, take more territory as they do, more oil, more arms, become stronger etc.
How can we stand back from this , when we are already bombing them in Iraq?Do we wait until ISIS trained young Britons kill hundreds here before we join in? We do have some standing in the world, but that will vanish if we allow others to do the fighting for us.

What is holding me back amongst other things is listening to those innocents in Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Many say that we left a worse mess than they were in before our bombing. If I could see a blueprint that showed how we intended to leave the countries under question and how we intended to achieve that including at what cost both in lives (including our young men), infrastructure and financial than I would be in a much better position to make an informed choice. As it is, how can I decide?

The OP is not a problem - just free speech.

The assumption seems to be that IS can only be overcome by bombing Syria. What is needed is something more minutely targeted in response to good intelligence work.

We know that politicians do not give the true picture (witness Tony Blair) and we should be very wary.

Frankly if I was IS I would have b*****d off from the place pdq, since they have been given so much warning - that just leaves innocent civilians to bomb.

I'm not a Labour supporter, but I find myself agreeing with Jeremy Corbin on this one, I don't think bombing will make Britain a safer place whatsoever. I also accept the main thrust of the JessM's argument that our initial incursion into Iraq has caused ongoing mayhem in that area and the poor civilian population of Syria caught between Assad/Isis and allied bombing raids, are truly between a rock and a hard place.

Having said that the need to wipe out ISIS, every last one of them, is urgent, but far harder than the task we had in WW2 with the Nazis, the problem being that the former are well and truly entrenched in Europe ready to blast us to kingdom come. I also perceive if they are driven out of Syria at some stage in the future, they will regroup somewhere else.

In this instance I think there are too many countries involved in the bombing of Syria and taking into consideration the shooting down of the Russian jet by Turkey, I think further incidents such as that one will just up the ante and a proxy war with Russia is the last thing any of us want.

At some stage I think a coalition of armed forces will have to go into the area, we do have to stand up for freedom and ISIS have to be one of the most loathsome regimes ever. it's so regrettable that we entered Iraq previously and fought the wrong war which left the void for ISIS in the first place. I do think we are led by fools why did they not anticipate in removing Sadam they were leaving the door open for Islamic extremists? Hindsight may be a wonderful thing but a bit more foresight would be more useful, although doesn't Blair still go around with that crazed look that he wears these days saying he did do the right thing.

Middle East alliances are so complex, supposed allies such as Saudi could well be funding ISIS and Turkey's ongoing hatred of the Kurds should make us question whether they would be suitable to join the EU.

I meant to write, quite at the beginning of my reply, in agreement with rosesarered.

Innocent Syrian civilians are already suffering! From either the murderous scum known as ISIS, and deprivation generally as that country falls apart.

What do we think they would like to happen?

Innocent Syrian civilians are already suffering! From either the murderous scum known as ISIS, and deprivation generally as that country falls apart.
I think that the sooner we show our solidarity with the rest of the countries already involved,and join them in the targeted bombing raids the better.
I think the full tv footage from Westminster of Cameron outlining the reasons why we should delay no longer should have been shown, in full, last night and again tonight , for those who work and missed it.
Meanwhile, the Labour Party under the weak leadership of Corbyn continue to self destruct.He sends Diane Abbott to speak for him on tv while he hides away from the media, he will not appear on tv at all! the sheep that are the SNP all continue to vote ( on any issue) ' in a flock' .
We are already running bombing missions at ISIS, along with other countries, over the neighbouring Iraq, this is just a logical extension if that mission.

No it's not. It's just a way of easily writing to your MP. That's what they're there for, anyway.

Oh! For goodness sake!

That www.writetothem is a petition by any other name.

Too much of a political agenda.

We already have discussions on this.

I'm in agreement with Anya et al. We have no other course open to us. We must do everything in our power to stop the evil that is ISIS now. We in the west have to ensure we are not the 'Good men (who) do nothing' and let this evil triumph.
Yes, I know that innocents will suffer, and that breaks my heart of course. But many, many thousands more innocents will suffer if we turn away - we have seen this in recent weeks.

It's not a petition, jingl.
It's an article.

The original post should not have included the, obviously labour biased, petition. It's using the site as a political platform.

Freedom of speech IS about "giving air to a particular group of people" - and also includes giving air to other groups who are free to challenge them. That is precisely how it is on Gransnet.

Maybe someone with the opposite view to the OP might come up with a petition to support that side - so be it.

We cannot pick and choose who should have the right to free speech, except where it involves criminal incitement, and it is HQ's job to be on top of that.

Sorry, my no was for - no bombing

Dianne Abbott and co are very hopeful that the labour mp's will return to their constituencies and garner support locally for them to take back to the Commons, and use against the government. I am sure there will be many such persuasive posts online today, all giving links to the petition.

We have freedom of speech on Gransnet. I don't think this is about freedom of speech. It's about giving air to a particular group of people.

It will be seen by many people (or so I think the original poster is hoping)

No

It's called freedom of speech jing.

I for one can unfortunately see both sides of the argument, but if I do eventually decide for no bombs I will use every democratic process available to me to persuade parliament, that of course includes writing to my mp.
What jess is doing is perfectly democratic. Why not if you are in favour of bombing post another indicating how those in favour can use their influence?

In answer to the main question - NO!

Should this website be used for quite such blatant political propaganda? We have discussions, and that's good. But this OP is something else.

In answer to the main question - YES!