Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

We definitely need voting reform. Every time the Tory gets in, in spite of the fact that the majority voted against him. Barmy.

My MP knows my views, you may be assured of that. Not that it will make any difference.

am I missing something from granjura's post? The was in Iraq was opposed by the vast majority of labour voters, huge number of the general public marched "not in my name" but parliament still voted for war. Tony Benn is a hero but we aren't discussion the (illegal) invasion of Iraq. This discussion is about the current proposal from Cameron that the UK joins the US and France in the bombing campaign against IS and Assad.

Given the disgusting way in which Daesh behaves, the murders in Paris etc some folk see to feel we have a duty to support our allies. I sympathise with that but I genuinely struggle to believe it will do anything to stop daesh and I fear it will contribute to the deaths of people and children in Syria. I remain concerned that Russia support Assad yet the proposal is we bomb the Syrian army but support the Free Syrian Army. From what I've read about the Free Syrian Army, they may be exactly the kind of force that led to the failed state that is Lybia - I won't even mention the disaster that is Iraq.

I'm not JC's biggest fan but I feel so far, he's made a more believable case not to bomb than David Cameron has that we should bomb.
I'm still vacillating, so it's as well I'm not responsible for this decision.

Sorry, here it is

youtu.be/HfXmpJRZPYI

btw is that a young Corbyn behind him?

Splutter jingl? it would be so helpful if you explain your 1 word reactions (splutter, rubbish, etc) with a few words- in this case why are you spluttering?

Speech made in 1998. Things have moved on a bit since then...

Iam64- watch Tony Benn's speech- he is talking about what it is like (and he lived through the Blitz) to be civilians bombed from the air. Perhaps this is part of the problem now- few people alive who have to make this extremely difficult decision, do not know what it is like.

As someone else pointed out on this or another thread, it would not be like the Blitz.

BTW the allies stole trillions of gold from Irak during the war- and took charge of the opium fields to fund the mission and more

Which war? Iraq 1, Iraq2, WWI, II???
So which Allies?

This is a highly questionable if not libellous assertion , Granjura, "stole" and "using the production of opium for military action ", strong language indeed.
To prevent Gransnet being sued or closed down, perhaps you would elaborate on your accusation with objective and credible evidence.
If not I think it should be retracted and deleted.

Iam64- watch Tony Benn's speech- he is talking about what it is like (and he lived through the Blitz) to be civilians bombed from the air. Perhaps this is part of the problem now- few people alive who have to make this extremely difficult decision, do not know what it is like

And yet his son, Hilary Benn, Shadow Foreign Secretary is in favour of the bombing if Syria in direct opposition to his leader.

The reason I'm mainly against "bombing Isil in Syria" is that nobody seems to know exactly where they are. So you would be bombing at random, which is pointless and cruel.
Or am I wrong? Do we know where they are?

I was laughing at the funny link gj. At least, I thought it funny.

"Rubbish" would speak for itself. Google a dictionary definition.

Apparently we do TriciaF. Whether we know who is there with them is another matter.

And whether they would still be there when we got there, or have skedaddled to another base, is another matter. These are guerrilla fighters.

Thanks jingl- the link didn't copy properly- made me laugh to. But did you watch what Tony Benn said- that is not funny at all- indeed not.

In the meantime, our 'friends' the Saudis are planning to behead 50 in one day soon- and the Western gvts do not batter an eyelid- I wonder why?

nobody seems to know exactly where they are
But I thought that they do know where they are.

Iam64- watch Tony Benn's speech- he is talking about what it is like (and he lived through the Blitz) to be civilians bombed from the air. Perhaps this is part of the problem now- few people alive who have to make this extremely difficult decision, do not know what it is like.^

But most of us had parents who were either serving (and didn't come home again) or had experience of being bombed in the Blitz (which was not just London btw).
We do know, even if we weren't there. And some of us were there. Our parents and relatives talked about it. Don't belittle the situation by saying we don't know. We don't have to listen to Tony Benn to find out.

Presumably those making the decision have parents or grandparents who knew as well.

Sorry, first para should be in ^^

George Galloway gave the definition of a moderate in Syria;

The George Galloway who was Saddam Hussein's friend? That George Galloway?

They do know where a lot of them are, hence the success of a drone strike on jihadi Johns car.

I liked the fact that Corbyn said he was enjoying every minute of it


Well, I find that - what is the word - strange? Detached from reality? A depersonalisation disorder?

Worrying.

and took charge of the opium fields to fund the mission and more.
Do you have proof of that granjura

Work was going on to find ways of stopping opium production there and in Afghanistan way before the Iraq war, and to give the farmers another way of farming to fund their livelihood.

Yes - just what I said (or nearly!). In his defence (!) it was said in response to a suggestion from the interviewer that he might be forced to resign as leader of the Labour Party in the wake of rebellion in the ranks - but even so...

Alea's already asked granjura for evidence to support her claims in that post, but none seems to be forthcoming. Shameful.

Rebellion in the ranks + a backlash from the bi-election on Thursday.

It should be a very interesting week.

Who is the leader of IS? There isn't one. Do those who think bombing Syria is going to destroy IS ? It isn't , it will mean the deaths of more innocent people and IS will gain more followers, more cells will emerge across the world because young people will see the destruction of their homeland , will see the west wielding it' s power yet again .

We got rid of Hussain but are still bombing Iraq, we got rid of Gadaffi and is Libya peaceful?

If we defeat IS in Syria do we in the west have a right to choose if
Asaad should remain president or do we have the right to choose a leader of a country ? America want him out, Russia wants him in,

If we bomb there will be blood baths throughout Europe and we will still sell guns

rosequartz , what is strange about enjoying being leader of a party knowing so many chose you as leader ? Do you think Cameron weeps into his pillow every night doing a job which is causing him great unhappiness ?

I find it amusing that Corbyn seems to be on every news report and every political thread here. Some in the Labour Party want us to bomb some do not, same in the Tory party.