Should we bomb De-ash/ISIS in Syria?

I still don't understand how they can just leave their families behind. They can't really believe that they'll be able to 'send for them' when they reach a place of safety, surely?

Frank gardener said over 100 factions

I do not think we should judge those who choose to flee - they are doing more good to their families by trying to find somewhere safe for them all to live. How the heck can they choose which faction to fight or to fight for? - they are caught up in hell and mayhem and just want to find a safe haven. And soon they will need a safe haven from us and our bombs no doubt. I do not blame them., and would not presume to judge them - I have never been faced with this sort of impossible choice.

soon - what the heck was your bible link supposed to add to the debate? and . Let's just stick to the facts.

But they get criticised just as much for taking their families with them. I haven't heard anything about Aylan Kurdi's father lately, after he returned to Syria with the bodies of his family. Kobani is still one of the places being bombed.

A very reasonable, calm and measured performance from Corbyn this morning on the Marr show this morning. Nice to hear a political who is spin-free for a change.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p039kw8f

Alea. Your post at 16.10. Brilliant !!!! If anyone could mess with their brains, it's Soontobe. And the best part is, she doesn't know she's doing it.

At least the Kurdi family had a clear goal in sight, they were hoping to reach Canada to join a relative there.

Perhaps he is talking sense.....

Is it because they are, overwhelmingly, men that they are so keen to rush into bombing?

I think I read that Aylan Kurdi's father has been accepted by Canada.

Yes, should have done it a long time ago

I listened to the Corbyn interview and find it hard to disagree with anything he had to say - and I have never voted Labour in my life (nor indeed Tory!).

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/28-november-2015-don-t-bomb-syria-national-day-of-action

From yesterday's day of action against bombing Syria.

Yes, I watched it, JessM and agree with you.
I'd like to know why Tory ministers are getting in touch with Labour MPs to find out how they are going to vote.
Is it right that they should do so? They do not know yet what Corbyn's line is going to be.
It's all put out as Corbyn against the rest, but it will not be true.
I liked the fact that Corbyn said he was enjoying every minute of it.

Have you voted in your life, Luckygirl?

I thought it was rather an odd thing to say, considering the situation the world's in at the moment, but I appreciate he only said it in response to the suggestion that he might have to quit as Labour leader.

It happens all the time , depends who is trying to get a bill through. It could be Labour asking Tory. Tory asking Labour., Nowt knew.

Does it? Can you give me any more examples, please, Pogs?

New not knew

I ALWAYS vote dj - mostly LibDem as a tactical vote in a Tory stronghold. Last time I voted Green as the LibDem candidate didn't stand a chance that time, nor the Labour, but I took the opportunity to indicate that there are those who do not support the Tory party. Having said that the Tory MP here is an excellent constituency MP.

If moderate Labour MP's had any guts they would vote as they wanted to and not because they were 'whipped', they may have a free vote, I would be inclined to think more of Corbyn if he decides that they may do that.

We need to be influencing to stop the financial support/ arms sales that keep Daesh going, be providing safe havens and safe air space for the ordinary people of these strife ridden countries to get to places of safety. That is the way to undermine terrorists. Bombing and killing only perpetuates the situation and increases the numbers angry people, ripe for persuasion by Daesh, on the ground.

George Galloway gave the definition of a moderate in Syria; someone who only cuts off half your head.

I agree with you, Penstemmon.

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/for-every-child-in-syria-murdered-by-the-west-there-will-be-new-terrorists

Roses, how do you know that all Labour MPs are not going to vote as they want to? Personally, I'd rather they voted the way that the majority of their constituents wanted them to, those ones that have given their views, that is.

I am a huge fan of Tony Benn, this is what he had to say about war against Irak:

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I'm saying nothing.

Splutter !!!

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Lucky, the voting system for you, possibly.

www.electoral-reform.org.uk/additional-member-system

If you haven't told your MP already that you want him to support this idea which is being debated on Tuesday, there is a link to theyworkforyou.com to send him an email.