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What ideas are there instead of bombing?

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soontobe Sat 28-Nov-15 19:09:51

Yes I know, another thread about IS.

But I am interested to have a thread, where those who dont want bombing of Syria, say what they do want to happen instead? To stop IS?

It seems to me that most if not all gransnet posters want IS stopped. How?

Anniebach Tue 08-Dec-15 13:03:44

you cannot write an accent ,one hears an accent, speaks an accent

Elegran Tue 08-Dec-15 13:21:21

It is Lallans scots, which is English very much as Chaucer would have recognised it. Translation - "Well, you know now."

There is a story that a meenister (sorry, minister) preached one day of a sinner who found himself up in front of God. God spoke of all he had dome wrong, which was a lot, and harangued him for a long time about how wicked he had been, and how he would now have to account for all his misdeeds, which would probably get his consigned to the Other Place. (I wish I could type as it was said, it sounds much better).

The sinner was aghast. OH Lord! he said, spare me, spare me. I didna ken!"

"Weel", said God."Ye ken noo!"

Anniebach Tue 08-Dec-15 13:36:45

Thank you for explaining Elegran

annodomini Tue 08-Dec-15 14:25:58

'Ken', meaning know, or knowledge exists in the standard English idiom, 'Beyond our ken' which, as the title of a comedy show, was a pun on the name of the great Kenneth Horne.

annodomini Tue 08-Dec-15 14:26:51

Not to mention the folk song, 'Do ye ken John Peel' which is, I think, of Northumbrian origin.

Anniebach Tue 08-Dec-15 14:40:34

I didn't know Kenneth Horne was Scots

Elegran Tue 08-Dec-15 16:05:31

Was he? He was Ken, and ken is an old word for know, and Beyond Our Ken means outside our knowledge as well as beyond what our Ken knows.

Then there is "I kent his faither!" which is usually said of a local lad who has gone up in the world and thinks he is now better than those he left behind - but they knew his father and are well aware of his humble beginnings. But Kenneth Horne's beginnings are beyond my ken.

Cunning comes from the same root of knowledge or skill, and there is a similar word in German.

rosesarered Tue 08-Dec-15 17:10:27

I thought everyone knew what ken meant.Obviously not.But they ken now!
tchgrin

thatbags Tue 08-Dec-15 17:11:53

My comment was not meant to be taken so literally, ab, ye ken?

thatbags Tue 08-Dec-15 17:12:55

That's 'yuh', btw, not yee. Just saying.

rosequartz Tue 08-Dec-15 17:27:10

confused
I had better go back a few posts, or has the Scottish referendum reared its heid again?

rosequartz Tue 08-Dec-15 17:38:26

Didn't we all sing D'ye ken John Peel at junior school? Along with all the Welsh, English, Irish, Scottish folk songs?

a popular British song written in about 1829 by John Graves, a friend of a farmer called John Peel who for fifty years had a pack (= group) of hunting dogs in Cumberland. It is sung to an old folk tune, Bonnie Annie

Even sung to the tune of Bonnie Annie smile

rosequartz Tue 08-Dec-15 17:41:54

What ideas are there instead of bombing?

Still no suggestions then?

durhamjen Tue 08-Dec-15 19:44:31

My suggestions are on page one, roseq. Can't be bothered to repeat them here. Page one is easy to find.

durhamjen Tue 08-Dec-15 19:46:45

Michael Rosen: When they do war, they forget how to count

Michael Rosen 27 November 2015. Posted in Poetry & Spoken Word

When they do war
They forget how to count

They forget how to count
And that's how they do it.

They come
They kill

They kill
They go

They give us
No numbers
No names
They disappear them
They vanish them
It's how they do it.

They come
They kill

They kill
They go

Names are deleted
Numbers are un-counted
bodies are un-included
Faces are un-remembered
That's how they do it.

They come in
They flush out

They mop up
They take out

No numbers
No names

No names
No numbers

And it's worth it,
they say.
It's worth it.
Believe us, it's worth it
believe us.
Oh yes it IS worth it
if you forget how to count.
It IS worth it
if you forget the numbers.
It IS worth it
if you forget the names.
It IS worth it
if you forget the faces.
That's how they do it.

But
we're counting.
Watch us:
we're counting.
Listen:
we're counting.
And–

–we count.

Source: Michael Rosen's blog

Anniebach Tue 08-Dec-15 20:00:14

Great post Jen thank you

petallus Tue 08-Dec-15 20:24:03

Brilliant poem

Anniebach Tue 08-Dec-15 20:38:53

No names, no numbers, no faces, just collateral damage or as Obama said after they attacked a MSF hospital - sorry a mistake

durhamjen Tue 08-Dec-15 20:44:59

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2015/dec/08/ex-soldiers-discard-medals-in-downing-street-protest-against-syria-airstrikes-video

Anniebach Tue 08-Dec-15 21:04:39

Jen, so moving, who knows better than those men and women, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia , they have been through it. And their thoughts not only with fellow armed forces but the people who endured years of fighting

durhamjen Wed 09-Dec-15 15:16:21

I agree, Annie. I also agree with Nick, this Nick.

act.thesyriacampaign.org/go/186?t=1&akid=277.124249.k_3V3K

Nicholas Henin's video has been the most watched video on the war this year.

soontobe Thu 10-Dec-15 20:24:31

Having been away, it can give the brain more time to think.
I have been thinking about the innocent[I dont like that phrase, but everyone knows what everyone means] people who might get bombed, and thinking of the other group of people who now have a much higher chance of not getting raped, murdered etc etc, which long term, medium term and probably short term, is likely to be a higher number.
I dont understand why some people consider the first group a lot more important than the second group.

Anniebach Thu 10-Dec-15 20:40:55

And I don't understand how you soon can consider the latter to suffer more than the former , you have supported the bombing even before there was a vote

durhamjen Thu 10-Dec-15 20:46:09

Very Christian of you, soon.

soontobe Thu 10-Dec-15 20:48:21

You have not answered the question. You dont have to of course.