Labour MP's harassment

"In a way, he was criticising Corbyn for giving the free vote, saying that the majority of the Labour Party membership voted for Corbyn, so the parliamentary party should support Corbyn or become independent."

I think "become independent" is one interpretation. Mine was that they should never have joined the Labour Party in the first place.

I think Corbyn gave the free vote because he was advised that if he didn't he'd lose some valuable members of the Party, a view that would seem to agree that if the vote had been whipped, those valuable members that the LP really can't afford to lose, would "become independent". As it is the free vote gave them the opportunity for independent thinking within the Party.

What I find strange over STB is the fact that nobody seems remotely concerned that Russia is bombing as and where they please, totally indiscriminately. Where are the protesters, marchers, placard wavers? If this was the West, they'd be out in force, rightly so too, but is it, as I suspect, the fact that Russia is a socialist country, that somehow makes their bombing ok, and the capitalist West an anathema?! I think this smacks of hypocrisy, but maybe I'm wrong and there is good and bad bombing! I would be interested to know what Jeremy Corbyns view is on the Russian contribution, and why indiscriminate bombing by Russia is ok, particularly as they create the same casualties, i.e.dead, hideously injured women, children, babies and old people, and displacing them in equal measure. Why is this acceptable with not a whisper of a protest from the far left?

Who has said Russia bombing Syria is ok? I don't understand your claim that there is no demonstrations in Russia because it is a socialist country - forgetting we do not see all thst takes place in Russia

And the anti war campaigners in this country are branded socialists !

I didn't mean in Russia! Obviously not, as people in that country demonstrate against their government at their peril! I meant in the West, particularly here. Outside the Russian embassy for example. Perhaps I've missed it, but if not, I find this particular silence deafening.

How can we campaign outside the Russian embassy when we are bombing?

What about the French embassy and the embassy of the other countries ?

There is far more campaigning taking place than you see on the news, far more

Oh I see. My guess is that Russian involvement along with their support of Assad is just a tad embarrassing. How can we be so vehement without including them? with difficulty! Not to worry though, being a socialist country I'm sure it can be justified, along with the annexing of Crimea, Geogia, and East Ukraine. Any country in the West behaving like that would be gridlocked, but as its Russia, that's ok!

Surely those who are against our bombing can demonstrate outside the Russian embassy as well, and parade a few placards about Ukraine while they're at it?

vee haf noted your comment Grumppa and vee vill be watchink you

I don't think of current day Russia as a socialist country at all.

I shall have to vary my routes between my West End club and my lair in the People's Republic of Waltham Forest, where I shall defend Stella Creasy's right to be an MP with a mind of her own.

I suggest you take up you protest banner nigglenellie and Grumps and see how close you can get to the Russian embassy, I look forward to seeing your protest on the news, good luck

I didn't know Russia was a socialist country either

Let's face it if we're honest, whatever and whoever we support, one thing you can be certain of that every single one is as hypocritical as the next. What or who defines a socialist country? The only one that comes to mind is Venezuela, and they're now virtually bankrupt and lawless. Is there a better example? North Korea perhaps. I think Russia perceives itself as a socialist state, China too!! Tell that to the displaced including young children, tell it to the human rights lawyer; Will rent a mob protest, almost certainly No! It's such double standards, but then sadly all politics is.

So am I to assume that the only reason those who are against bombing in Syria don't demonstrate outside the Russian Embassy is because they can't? Will STW confirm this?

Sounds a bit half-hearted to me.

I would have said they can grumppa, provided it's peaceful and not on Russian territory, but whether they want to is another matter. A demonstration against Russian involvement elsewhere would do, but don't expect it any time soon. The Russians, as I understand it, are far less discerning as to where they drop their weapons, being a law unto themselves and answerable to no one. Very frightening, and deeply worrying. But STW including their star member doesnt seem perplexed, so it must be ok.

Forgive me for butting into this thread but having read the last few posts I'm feeling a tad confused. Are we saying it's only ok to protest against our own government policy if we are equally willing to share out the protest against all other governments following similar or equally bad policy? Otherwise it's better just to sit back and not bother protesting at all? Gosh. What a defeatist attitude.

Not what I was saying at all.

No that's not what anyone is saying. I begged the question as to why STW wasn't as vocal in Russia's participation of the bombing in Syria as it is to Western involvement, and wondering if if this could be because Russia's position is an embarrassment to the far left bearing in mind Russia is a supposedly socialist country, and protesting against their actions by a far left organisation would be out of kilter . That's all.

So you are are a supporter of don't do as we do as we say?

Shall we demonstrate outside the USA embassy?

I'm not a supporter of anything. I just asked what I consider to be a valid question. Sadly no valid answer, which is hardly surprising I suppose.

It was a rather silly question, STW which is a mix of all parties and no party, should protest outside the Russian embassy because you think they are a socialist country but not outside the USA embassy or the Chinese or French embassy? How can you expect an answer to such a pointless question , don't think you want an answer your just want to bring socialism into it

You beat me to it, Anniebach.
Stop the War is a coalition of parties. It is not just socialist or far left.

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/the-task-of-any-anti-war-movement-is-to-oppose-its-own-government

However silly stories are coming out attacking it, because it is very effective. The number of supporters has doubled since the vote to bomb Syria.

You don't know the first thing about me or I you. A lot of your posts are silly too, but most of us on here are too polite to say so. What is it with you that you can't answer questions pleasantly?

Not a silly question at all, in fact a very sensible one. Anyone against us bombing certain targets in Syria, should also be against ANY other country who is doing the same, by demos outside their embassies.In fact, it doesn't make sense NOT to really.
Could it be, that within the ranks of STW hides a rag bag of anarchists,( along with any genuine pacifists) and others who hate Britain as it is, a capitalist country, and use any means possible to name call and disrupt and bad mouth their own country.Discuss!