Labour MP's harassment

I read that earlier this morning too and, yes, it is a good article. Talk of fathers turning in graves makes me think my father would be doing so if he could watch the Labour Party goings on at the moment. Mind you, he did live through the Militant Tendency era so maybe he'd just sigh and think Here we go again!

Thanks for posting the link, jamjar.
I think Nick Cohen is spot on.

Sorry, Nick Cohen.

I hesitate before posting this link but I found it an interesting read, but it is one man's opinion, the man in question is Nick Coen of The Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/05/jeremy-corbyn-new-politics-self-righteous-left-wallows-in-cruelty

Great post Soapsaneolive and I am so pleased Ken Clarke abstained, I like and admire the man .

The bullying could even have been done by the people who believe bombing is right

Oh yes, of course, that'll be it...

We need parliament to work for all of us. At the moment it works for an establishment elite (mainly conservative) and the labour party since Neil Kinnock, John Smith and Tony Blair is terrified of being associated with ideas of social change: politics is seen purely in terms of a self orientated political career rather than a vocation, part of something that is historical, bigger than all of us and something we should respect and teach respect for.

In the last election 17 million people didn't vote in the UK: changes to electoral registration (individual voter registration) mean that nearly 7 million more may not be able to vote.

My MP is Kenneth Clarke and he responded to 38 Degrees Campaign and emails he received from constituents by abstaining on the bombing. I like to think that he listened to his constituents!

He's a great constituency MP even if you don't agree with his politics. His party though -and the Labour party do bully, do use bullying to dissuade opposition: bullying via social media is used as a strategic tool that the leadership of the conservative party in the recent death of Elliott Johnson, distanced themselves from.

The bullying could even have been done by the people who believe bombing is right: it may not even be Labour Party activists because they want democratic freedom, Jeremy Corbyn gave a free vote remember and the people who joined the labour party and support him believe in wider democratic participation and accountability, better debate and discussion in parliament. It looks to me like they were achieving that and so they've been knobbled for it by agents provocateurs who want a more authoritarian line on what democracy is and should be.

Jeremy Corbyn was brave, has been brave:he's worked his socks off to bring in people who've been labelled an underclass and exploited at every level and then blamed for their vulnerability and labelled further. I'm talking about people who are on zero hours contracts, in precarious employment(s), caring, or carers who watch the increasing privatisation of services that should be social enterprises, these market issues are affecting all of us, however hard we've worked, however educated or well off we are, because we've let our governments sell off the assets that belong to all of us.

Such tweets usually come from immature lads possibly your grandchildren 'winding people up'.
Really? Why should it be the grandchild of anyone on here?

Google him why don't you
Google this why don't you
Please wise up to the ways of the media in this country
For starters find out who owns and controls our newspapers.

Any more 'suggestions'?

I think if you read some of the threads on here you could find all the information you need discussed at length and with helpful links.

Oh, and sorry to be pedantic (usually I think it's rude to pick up on mistakes) but I think you'll find that the ex-Tory Party chairman's name is spelt Grant Shapps (aka Michael Green).

I am sure the police will find the person who threatened to kill Danczuk and prosecute him/her.

Sarandig

How clever of the Tories to devise such a clever PR stunt.

They have obviously manipulated Labour MP's such as Alan Johnson, Stella Creasy, Chris Bryant, Nick Coyle, John Mann, Anne Coffey etc. Have you not registered in your mind that Jeremy Corbyn, Tom Watson John McDonald have also accepted that the harassment has taken place ? Cameron must be a bloody miracle worker to get them behind his PR stunt. What utter tosh!!!!

We don't need to Google the Tory bullying issue either !! You obviously haven't noticed there is an entire thread dedicated to the Tory 'bullying' problem. You may not have noticed the story in the media but I assure you it has not been hidden from the public nor from Gransnetters, another load of tosh.

As for the press that is the usual tired old rant from the left when they have nothing to say but try to deflect from debating. A bit like moving the thread into another direction. These are not made up stories nor are they being elaborated on, we are seeing and hearing from the horses mouth so to speak by the MP's themselves. There is no conspiracy theory, well unless it is the one you subscribe to that this is a Tory plot, a right wing press conspiracy and Labour MP's from Jeremy Corbyn down have been recruited to join in with the Tory plot.

HR policy Sarandig?
I think it's you who needs to wise up personally; very insulting to the MPs receiving death threats.

Fair point Eloethan. I do try to avoid the tendency that can accompany getting older, that is believing everything is getting worse, that manners are a thing of the past etc. I do worry though that high expressed emotion, I.e shouting abusively is becoming more common. Maybe not, but perhaps Twitter and the Internet has allowed some unpleasant people more freedom of expression than previously

Yes, apparently she did receive vile abuse and threats - as she has done for campaigning on issues relating to equality and recognition for women. In that particular case, was it therefore assumed that all men are ignorant louts who hate women? I think not. There are always idiots around who have nothing better to do than send barely literate threats and insults to people with whom they disagree, but their behaviour should not be assumed to be representative of anyone other than themselves.

www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/dec/04/stella-creasy-crushes-story-about-protest-outside-her-house
Here is the story about Stella Creasey.
She didn't apologise - she had nothing to apologise for.
She just set the record straight.
The fact remains that she has been on the receiving end of vile abuse.

So Sarandig Do you think the report on BBC Radio 4 on the One O'clock news, that Simon Danczuk (Labour MP for Rochdale) had received death threats was a fabrication too?

I'm surprised that no one seems to realise that this is a PR policy created to divert everyone's attention from the very real bullying scandal in the Tory party which led to the suicide of a young Tory activist called Elliot Johnson.
Google him why don't you. Read what his distaught father has to say about the Tory Activists' bullying that led to Elliot's death.
This resulted in the resignation of Grant Shap MP (Conservative party chairman) last week and the announcement of an 'independent' enquiry. Yet the media including the BBC are focusing instead on possible 'bullying' of Labour MPs by their electorate etc etc
NB We have every right to lobby our MPs before they vote on our behalf.
Everyone who tweets should know that it's very easy to stop annoying or threatening responses. You just press the 'block' button and they can't contact you ever again. Such tweets usually come from immature lads possibly your grandchildren 'winding people up'.
Also the press take information from such nuisance tweets and build them up into bullying stories which are later discovered to be untrue eg the march of activists on Stella Creasey's home. Google this why don't you and you will find an apology from Stella Creasey for this inaccurate information.
Please wise up to the ways of the media in this country. For starters find out who owns and controls our newspapers.

Cameron wouldn't even allow a two day debate which halved the time discussions and debates couldc be held, he wanted a yes vote at all costs

At least the Labour MP's voted with their own views, heard during the debate several Tory MP's say they were going to vote with their party despite having grave doubts they were making the right decision. Doesn't sound as the Tories gave their MP's the free vote that Labour did. The result could have been different if they had been able to. Cameron rushed this vote though when public opinion against bombing was rising.

I think we had X posts and X purposes!

The other two, O S Davies and Peter Law were both Welsh MPs.

No, if you mean the 'Jim' post I mean Oldham, i heard people saying that on the news. Let's hope he is a good MP for all his constituents.

Are you talking about Wales RQ ??

They liked Jim because he is a local man concerned with local issues (and of course did not have to vote the day before, just missed it).

Yes, but the two candidates mentioned weren't Tories or UKIP (which was not in existence then)
They were Labour candidates in all but name, but who did not toe the party line.