Labour MP's harassment

The West is always to blame for all the ills of the world in the opinion of people on the far left. No doubt the bombing Russia engages in is the fault of the West as well as Ukraine, and Crimea. Hence my reference to socialism, obviously criticism of Russia is a big No. No.

There is so much information available to tell you Stop The War considers the West/EU/America are wholely to blame for Ukraine's problems, not Russia.

Perhaps that is why grumppa mentioned Ukraine, just guessing.

Then why did you bring socialism into it nigglenellie ? it had nothing to do with the bombing of Syria

I agree with you niggly of course the protesters of STW should target ALL the embassies if they feel this way and that includes the Russian one.

I think any country that behaves towards its neighbours, it's citizens and bombs cities indiscriminately like Russia does should be made to feel the disaproval/disgust/outrage of other people, exactly like western countries do. But for some curious reason it simply never does. I couldn't care what Russia's political system is, it's certainly not democracy as we know it. Why is she never ever criticised by those who are so vocal when it's western countries who offend.

But they are , you were concerned with them being an allegedly socialist country , I asked should not all countries be condemned , you didn't reply

I didn't mention western countries because demonstrations against them are fairly common and no big deal in the way of things. Demonstrations against Russia almost never happen anywhere, whatever they do, even as in this case they are blatently as culpable as any one else, so why are they are virtually never vilified as western countries always are?

But nigglenellie, you questioned protesting against Russia because you claim they are a socialist country, now if you had said all countries I could have given my opinion, I got confused when you wanted demonstrations against Russia but not America or France

rose, this is exactly what I was trying to say, probably rather clumsily, and that while the pros and cons of bombing are discussed, the discussion never includes people's opinion of what Russia's involvement is, let alone what those who vehemently oppose bombing under any circumstances feel about the indiscriminate bombing conducted by Russia and their support of Assad.
If you're condemning one section of this campaign, surely you must condemn all. I personally am a Hilary Benn supporter over this, with his same feelings of regret. Russia worries me much more as they seem to have no qualms about who, what or how they conduct their campaign, maybe they just have a totally different attitude to other people, and obviously aren't answerable to anyone. I don't think precision bombing is part of their remit, just terrify, destroy and kill whoever.

risesarered has answred fir you nigglenellie, all not just Russian

But nigglenellie only thought protests outside Russian embassy, I post,Italy asked should we also demonstrate outside the French, American and Chinese embassy but no reply

Not a silly question at all, in fact a very sensible one. Anyone against us bombing certain targets in Syria, should also be against ANY other country who is doing the same, by demos outside their embassies.In fact, it doesn't make sense NOT to really.
Could it be, that within the ranks of STW hides a rag bag of anarchists,( along with any genuine pacifists) and others who hate Britain as it is, a capitalist country, and use any means possible to name call and disrupt and bad mouth their own country.Discuss!

You don't know the first thing about me or I you. A lot of your posts are silly too, but most of us on here are too polite to say so. What is it with you that you can't answer questions pleasantly?

You beat me to it, Anniebach.
Stop the War is a coalition of parties. It is not just socialist or far left.

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/the-task-of-any-anti-war-movement-is-to-oppose-its-own-government

However silly stories are coming out attacking it, because it is very effective. The number of supporters has doubled since the vote to bomb Syria.

It was a rather silly question, STW which is a mix of all parties and no party, should protest outside the Russian embassy because you think they are a socialist country but not outside the USA embassy or the Chinese or French embassy? How can you expect an answer to such a pointless question , don't think you want an answer your just want to bring socialism into it

I'm not a supporter of anything. I just asked what I consider to be a valid question. Sadly no valid answer, which is hardly surprising I suppose.

Shall we demonstrate outside the USA embassy?

So you are are a supporter of don't do as we do as we say?

No that's not what anyone is saying. I begged the question as to why STW wasn't as vocal in Russia's participation of the bombing in Syria as it is to Western involvement, and wondering if if this could be because Russia's position is an embarrassment to the far left bearing in mind Russia is a supposedly socialist country, and protesting against their actions by a far left organisation would be out of kilter . That's all.

Not what I was saying at all.

Forgive me for butting into this thread but having read the last few posts I'm feeling a tad confused. Are we saying it's only ok to protest against our own government policy if we are equally willing to share out the protest against all other governments following similar or equally bad policy? Otherwise it's better just to sit back and not bother protesting at all? Gosh. What a defeatist attitude.

I would have said they can grumppa, provided it's peaceful and not on Russian territory, but whether they want to is another matter. A demonstration against Russian involvement elsewhere would do, but don't expect it any time soon. The Russians, as I understand it, are far less discerning as to where they drop their weapons, being a law unto themselves and answerable to no one. Very frightening, and deeply worrying. But STW including their star member doesnt seem perplexed, so it must be ok.

So am I to assume that the only reason those who are against bombing in Syria don't demonstrate outside the Russian Embassy is because they can't? Will STW confirm this?

Sounds a bit half-hearted to me.

Let's face it if we're honest, whatever and whoever we support, one thing you can be certain of that every single one is as hypocritical as the next. What or who defines a socialist country? The only one that comes to mind is Venezuela, and they're now virtually bankrupt and lawless. Is there a better example? North Korea perhaps. I think Russia perceives itself as a socialist state, China too!! Tell that to the displaced including young children, tell it to the human rights lawyer; Will rent a mob protest, almost certainly No! It's such double standards, but then sadly all politics is.

I didn't know Russia was a socialist country either