I think this man should be chrged with extreme child abuse

Not being educated or not being very bright are not reasons to put a person in jail , neither does it mean the pain of their grief is less than the bright coins in the mint

And where does common sense stand in all this?

Was the item dubbed or did he really speak such good English ? And speaking so well had he never seen a map of the Med. ? And his wife would have been wearing hefty all covering stuff as would older children. Presumably she was still a nursing mother so would have drowned with her child in her arms. IMO he should have saved one child. Long ,long before we married I saw my DH risk his own life to save a possibly dead child. His reaction to this man was how come he survived.

And his motive?

There is a DVD Adrift: Children of a Lesser God. This is by a Frenchman and should be shown in those well run Turkish sites to show people what the crossing is really like.

Freedom is a possible motive, I think, lucky, though I'm not suggesting it was this man's motive. I'm not suggesting it wasn't either, just saying that it's an obvious motive.

So they all have tv in those allegedly all well run sites ?

Freedom? He could have walked away but decided to take them with him, take them in a boat with full knowledge they would drown , that makes sense!

I think you might not have read the owrd possible in my post, ab, nor the part where I said I wasn't implying that it was his motive. I made a completely detached statement in reply to someone's question. Please read my posts calmly instead of ranting about them all the time.

I realise calm might be a big ask but I'm sure you can do it.

thatbag, I do not rant I reply, and I do not reply to your posts all the time because I do not read them all

I agree that his motive was most likely to be freedom. My question was aimed at those who think he had some hidden intent that overrode any considerations for the safety of his family - that he had something to gain that his family did not; that they were dispensable and he is guilty of deliberate abuse. I was seeking an explanation as to his motive for "abuse", which implies evil intent.

In that case I apologise for finding many of your posts ranty, ab.

Yes, lucky, as a hypothetical motive it's a possibility, but it seems unlikely.

I'm wondering if any of the boat skippers drown when their boats go down.

"So why do we think he made the decision?" (to bring along his wife and children)

Oh come on! Think about it.

Everybody knows Jingles doesn't miss and hit the wall, making provocative comments is adkung for trouble. I am fairly new to GN and I enjoy the cut and thrust of various comments. Until it gets nasty. a, why would you want to post a topic that is going to stir the mud? Of course we have our opinions, but come on, who benefits from vituperation .Granny says Play Nice ?

I would think even the dimmest on here could work it out.

And no. I am not voicing my theory. Because I think that would be a step too far. Some things are best acknowledged silently. And obviously I could be completely wrong.

asking

no you are not

Obviously for the huge wealth he was told he would receive, courtesy of the generous benefits system once he reached his final destination.

Oh don't be so soft. Why shouldn't we use GN as a sounding off place for our feelings.

Try Grannynet.

I think I might have voiced it anyway jings although I could be totally wrong.

My post was to grannylyn62 of course.

Jingle. Are you alluding to benefits? Just asking.

I am clearly dimmer than the dimmest on here. I can't work it out. Why did he make the decision? Perhaps only he knows.

He was intelligent enough to learn English,but not intelligent enough to know not to get in a rubber dinghy with small children and no life belts in winter,AND cross an ocean?Come on,