I think this man should be chrged with extreme child abuse

....and risk his life?!....

No. I think a man with a wife and young children are likely to get better treatment from the authorities, rather than a man on his own.

But that is not the point at all. The point is, he willingly put his children in harm's way. And now they, and his wife, are dead. He could have stayed in Turkey.

So lg, you admit he was risking his own life? Yes. And those of his children.

I assume that 9 months ago they were in the most horrendous situation.
Would I be thinking of having another child. I appreciate that contraception was not freely available where they lived ( even if they wanted it) but as we all know, there are other ways.

I don't think we can really understand the pressures on these desperate people or know how we would react in their place. One aspect of refugee camps is that there is difficulty in obtaining sanitary protection and incontinence pads, many families have already been in the camps for years.

Petra, others ways? Do you mean celibacy?

What I have been wondering for a long time is: why more of these migrants are not using the Bulgarian route.
I have been talking to friends in BG and they say that there are a lot of people coming through their country but not as many as I would have thought considering it is the safest route. Some of these migrants are paying a lot of money to pay for the boat crossing where as there are 'ways' on the BG/Turkey boarder where they could cross safely.

Perhaps their religion doesn't allow birth control.
An old saying - "don't judge a person until you've walked in their shoes" or something like that.
What I still can't understand is why, if they're so religious , they want to come and live among people who share none of their beliefs and ways of life. Why not stay in countries which share them? There are plenty near at hand.

The man is sobbing on radio and pleading with his fellow Syrians not to attempt to travel to Europe. He paid £7000 for a wooden boat rather than a rubber dinghy to try to improve his family's lives.
As many have already posted it's the traffickers who should be charged, they don't do it for reasons other than greed. Where are they living, what are they doing with the money they 'earn' besides buying more substandard boats?

Him being jailed might be just what is needed to stop these men risking their family's lives in this way.
No, I think jailing the people traffickers is what is needed.

Unbelievable, seven children die and their conception is now discussed .

Dear god, these people have lived with bombing and violence , so they find comfort in sex , stop judging them so harshly please

The people who need to be prosecuted and imprisoned are not people smugglers
Sorry, but I think they are the ones who are guilty of peddling false dreams and selling possible death.

I'm wondering if any of the boat skippers drown when their boats go down.
I don't suppose they are even on the boats themselves thatbags - buy a cheap dinghy then sell it and a bundle of false dreams for thousands of pounds to a desperate family.

Some people are risk takers, or perhaps gullible, some people will stay in the camps and hope to return one day.

These people are part of my daily life, you wouldn't understand this.

Annieb, what did you mean by that?

"so they find comfort in sex"

Sorry ab but that is hilarious! What man doesn't 'find comfort' in sex?! (if that's what you care to call it)

I wonder how comforted his wife felt.

Yes. Please tell us about all these illegal asylum seekers thronging the 'Land of my Fathers'.

Oh good as I am grannylyn65

Sorry!

I don't actually know what it means to "miss and hit the wall".

Well Jingle if you have never found comfort in sex I feel sorry for you

These people are part of my daily life, you wouldn't understand this.

Annieb, what did you mean by that?

(just in case you missed it the first time )

Can I just say - we aren't talking about "illegal asylum seekers". People fleeing war torn Syria would be legitimate asylum seekers. If they survived the journey of course.

Oh dear, That's rather a personal comment, and a bit uncalled for!
I don't think this man can speak English. I saw the interview earlier and his interview was dubbed. Quite honestly who knows the ins and outs of this affair, but I would have thought common sense would have prevented anyone from taking a twenty day old baby on a journey like that at any time, particularly in winter. I think these poor souls who are desperate to get to Europe are completely unaware that Europe is not particularly welcoming any more owing to the numbers arriving, and that the lives they have been led to expect are going to be far harder than they imagine. As DH says 'what a mess'.

I wouldn't call it 'comfort' tbh. Enjoyment, yes.

Do we really want to go down this road?

First sentence was talking to ab. ref her comments to jingle.