I think this man should be chrged with extreme child abuse

Iam that was just an off-the-cuff remark. No forethought whatsoever.

The man has lost his wife and seven children ... is it appropriate to be discussing his sex life?

People have sex, and babies, during wartime.

Why uncalled for ? If the sex life of the couple and the conception of their children can be discuss ?

Nigglynellie, I think the father's speech would be translated rather than dubbed and I that the sobbing would be genuine.
But as your husband says 'what a mess', indeed it is, a tragic mess.

Answer came there none.

Mind you, we 'wouldn't understand' anyway...only the likes of anniebach are capable of empathy and compassion, obviously, which is a pretty insulting insinuation.

Elrel. Not just celibacy. There are other ways.

I'm not suggesting that his grief wasn't genuine just that he wasn't fluent in English as far as I could gather. I don't think comments about anyone's sex life is at all appropriate on a thread like this, but I'm old fashioned, and still consider that part of anyones life a private matter.

I don't see myself as 'old fashioned' but I share the view that to discuss a couple's sex life/use or misuse of contraception on this thread is really distasteful, insensitive and inappropriate.

I'm shocked at how judgemental, and as Iam64 says a distastefull insensitive and inappropriate discussion about someone's sex life, this thread has become.
I prefer to give this poor man the benefit of the doubt; I cannot believe for one second he deliberately set out to see his wife and children drowned.
I prefer to believe he sincerely thought they would have the chance of a better life, fleeing from ISIS.

Very, very sad.

These people are part of my daily life, you wouldn't understand this.
No, I didn't understand that either.

If you mean you pray for them, so do thousands of others.
If you mean you knit for them, so do hundreds of people
If you mean you send donations to help on a regular basis, so do thousands of people
If you mean you send parcels of socks, newly knitted jumpers, hats, scarves, squares for blankets, baby clothes etc, so do thousands of kind people from around the world.

So I think there are thousands of people who would understand and I hope people are glad to know that.

This happened a month ago; this week another group of migrants, including six Afghan children, drowned in the Aegean, according to the Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/10/migration-not-worth-risk-syrian-man-family-drowned

I didn't ask you to understand Rosequartz, I was speaking directly to Jingle

Well I found this story absolutely heartbreaking. I can't imagine how the father will ever get over it. Obviously piling all those children into a small boat on the open sea is something none of us would ever contemplate, but we are not living in a war zone or trying to survive in a refugee camp.

I didn't ask you to understand Rosequartz, I was speaking directly to Jingle
Oh, as a post on a thread where all are participating it was a bit mystifying but perhaps jingls understands what you mean.
Sorry to interrupt a private conversation

Hardly a private conversation on a public forum rosequartz

I was speaking directly to Jingle
Hardly a private conversation on a public forum rosequartz
even more now

And it doesn't appear that jingl understood what it meant either, judging by her post of 18.42. Never mind.

Well! I'm afraid I would go one further than Trump,and say we must stop all immigrants until this is all sorted out.Not only for us,but for them as well.If they're not intelligent enough to know how stupid they are being taking such risks,then they need control.Surely all the brains in the world can come to some sensible solution.

Highly intelligent people can be extremely stupid

I would simply make it illegal to take a child on one of those boats. That's all.

Jingle , no one wants a child to die , but do we want them in those camps for years ? Must be a living hell .

I know. But I think this thread has run its course now.

The real criminals are the people smugglers who take migrants' money for unseaworthy boats and tell them that they don't need life jackets because the boats are safe.

I agree Jingle and I do understand your anger, I share it , but against different people