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katie hopkins has done it again

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kiernan58 Fri 11-Dec-15 12:54:15

usually I wouldn't give this woman the time of day for her silly writings, but this one does trouble me. Apparently Trump is right and London is completely radicalised... Well as a Londoner myself i can't agree with her at all

yes, she makes her money as an argumentative mouthpiece (not that I'm saying that's right) but stirring up such anti Muslim feeling and agreeing with that idiot's twaddle just seems dangerous at the moment. I despair of the media

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/katie-hopkins-donald-trump-is-right-about-radicalised-london-a3133971.html

Alea Fri 11-Dec-15 23:07:51

<banging head against wall >

places that are so radicalised that the police are afraid for their own lives
Oh yeah?
Trump is talking through his Guinea pig hat. Why do you believe a racist, sexist, megalomaniac bigot when he is spouting tosh about something of which he is supremely ignorant?
You add I don't see how the Met can say that is not true

Well they can because it is not.

The Metropolitan Police may have many failings, but each borough will have records of criminal activity, of police action, of crime response times and actions and if both the Mayor of London, the Chief Commissioner of the Met and all the Divisional officers say that is not the case, what the heck does Trump know about it anyway?
There are people around who do know what they are talking about, you know.
Stop stirring, by your own admission you do not know, but I find it alarming, no terrifying, that you are prepared to accept alarmist rubbish from the likes of a buffoon like Trump over the word of the people on the ground.

Ana Fri 11-Dec-15 23:09:01

So, do you think we have no reason to be upset and worried about our future and that of our children and grandchildren, Bennan? Those politicians etc. are making it all up? hmm

grumppa Fri 11-Dec-15 23:10:25

But if I'd previewed my post we would not have had this diverting diversion on dyslexia and asterisks.

Returning to Trump, I loved Caitlin Moran's description of his hair as "tumble-dryer felt" in today's Times.

Oh no! I've admitted to reading a Murdoch rag on a Guardianista thread.

Ana Fri 11-Dec-15 23:12:21

Don't worry, grumppa, I've already been castigated today for posting a link to a Telegraph blog...wink

Ana Fri 11-Dec-15 23:14:10

My post to Bennan was in no way meant to imply that I have any truck with Trump and his ilk - just that ISIS is a real and present danger. Not ordinary muslims.

grumppa Fri 11-Dec-15 23:21:33

Gosh you were brave Ana. My own view is that The Grauniad has been going downhill since Ted Scott, the son of the great editor C.P. Scott, drowned after capsizing on Lake Windermere in 1932 after being urged to take up sailing by Arthur Ransome. But a DT blog..........

Ana Fri 11-Dec-15 23:23:50

I know! I may never live it down...but what the heck!

Eloethan Sat 12-Dec-15 00:53:29

I think Donald Trump should confine his remarks and his concerns to the USA where serial shootings are an almost daily occurrence, particularly in schools. His solution to that particular problem is to arm teachers. That's worked really well with their police force hasn't it - with the number of people killed by the police likely to exceed 1,000 this year.

Most serial killers in the USA are not described as "terrorists", even when they terrorise and mow down dozens of people with automatic weapons.

Nowhere is risk-free - think of Dunblane, Hungerford and Cumbria - the people that committed these atrocities may not have had twisted political or religious motives but their guns were just as deadly.

Of course, we are aware that there have been terrorist attacks in our cities and it would be foolish to say that there is no risk of this happening again. But to suggest that there are "no-go" areas into which even the police will not venture is something that the police have denied. I have lived in east London for 27 years and have certainly never felt under threat in areas that have majority Muslim populations. But I fear that if people are continually being spoken of as if they are "the enemy" then there is a real risk that that is what they will become.

grumppa I don't know why you felt it necessary to refer to this thread as a "Guardianista" one. The original post linked to an article in the Evening Standard and I don't recall the Guardian being mentioned.

Alea Sat 12-Dec-15 07:16:45

www.facebook.com/StephenLloydEBN/posts/1685814001694228

I make no apologies for repeating this, originally posted on the "other" Trump thread. What this article says very much addresses the tosh which Trump has spouted about "no-go areas in London", which has somehow convinced soontobe and maybe others that the Mayor of London, the Chief Commissioner of the Met, and Londoners know less about their own city.
The article refers to " truthisms" things which are clearly invented, false, lies but so how (to some people) "feel right" feeding their secret fears or insecurities.

I sort of remember a TV series about WWII called "A Warning from History", we need to heed those warnings.

soontobe Sat 12-Dec-15 07:21:51

Top brass in large organisations are often disingenious and ill informed.

Can I ask why you havent been in the other 12 out of 32 boroughs?

Alea Sat 12-Dec-15 07:23:02

None of your flippin business!!

Alea Sat 12-Dec-15 07:31:14

I'm sorry, was that a serious stupid question?
Like why have I never visited Cardiff? Why have I only ever three times been to Glasgow? Oh no, I have only once ever been to New York and never, ever to South Africa. ?

Am I supposed to spend my life touring London boroughs in order to justify myself to you?
Who's being disingenuous now?? (Glad you have graduated to the sort of vocabulary you decried a few months back when I and others were accused of using words many Gransnetters don't understand though)
Why do I only have experience I.e.lived in, worked in, have family or friends in perhaps 20 out of 32 London boroughs? Maybe because I have a life, oh and I am not a black cab driver.

Alea Sat 12-Dec-15 07:38:26

Not a flippin Uber driver either.

soontobe Sat 12-Dec-15 07:49:48

I have been in about 10 out of 32 boroughs even though I live very rurally and I dont go to London that often.
I dont consider knowledge of 20 out of 32 boroughs anywhere near enough knowledge to refute the claim that parts of London are radicalised.
Which goes back to my post of 17.15pm last night.

op. You are a Londoner yourself. Have you been in all 32 boroughs? Can you claim for sure that there are no no go areas, and no parts are radicalised?

soontobe Sat 12-Dec-15 07:51:47

I am tempted to ask the same 2 questions, or is it 3, of every poster on here.

grumppa Sat 12-Dec-15 08:02:16

I have certainly visited every London borough, but I would not claim to have visited them all recently. My point was that I would not think twice about visiting any of them.

Alea Sat 12-Dec-15 08:07:18

Oh for goodness sake! What is this, London borough one upmanship? You have said often enough you live in a rural backwater part of the country and don't go to London that often. End of.
For once could you just comment on something you have actual experience of instead of playing some silly numbers game to substantiate Trump's ridiculous assertions.

Elegran Sat 12-Dec-15 08:52:04

Surely the mayor of London (and the Met) gets reports from all the boroughs? He doesn't have to live for a year in each of the 32 of them, walking personally round every street in daylight and moonlight, summer and winter, dressed as a city gent, an immigrant, a bag lady, a fourteen-year-old girl in a miniskirt, to know what conditions are like there better than a millionaire property tycoon in the US?

Dear soontobe, please tell us truthfully how old you are, and whether you ever meet any real grownups?

Elegran Sat 12-Dec-15 09:02:01

Or a wellheeled publicity-seeking pseudo-journalist who only frequents the haunts of the rich.

annodomini Sat 12-Dec-15 09:49:47

In Katie Hopkins's interview with Andrew Neil in yesterday's Daily Politics, she refers to 'great swathes of our country' where one can't walk safely but can't name any of them. Indeed, she is quick to change the subject. Throughout the interview, she was inconsistent in her opinion of Trump.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06s616l/daily-politics-11122015

The interview starts at 41.55 minutes and the bit about the 'great swathes' is at 49.43.

She is just a controversialist and doesn't stand up under the scalpel-sharp style of Andrew Neil.

Alea Sat 12-Dec-15 10:30:00

Perhaps these "great swathes" include rural areas such as the one where soontobe lives? No-go areas where the local bobby goes in fear of his life?
Stockbroker commuter belt? Western Isles?
Oh I know, the one I read about on FB, the Mullah Kintyre tchsmile

Elegran Sat 12-Dec-15 10:30:30

Well, if she were recognised walking around in great swathes of our country SHE would not be safe.

annodomini Sat 12-Dec-15 10:37:10

The villages of the Midsomer cluster spring to mind!

Riverwalk Sat 12-Dec-15 10:43:27

I'm very glad to be living in the mean streets of London.

I'd hate to live near Hopkins and come across her having sex in a field - I'd call that a No Go area! shock

Cher53 Sat 12-Dec-15 12:33:18

The thing that disturbs me more is the amount of support Trump has in America.