Cameron's Christmas message

Agreed, Eloethan.
We moved down to Hampshire once, living near Winchester.
We were not envious; we felt sorry for them having to work all the hours they did, some of our neighbours commuting to London every day, just to keep the lifestyle.
We moved back up North after three years of it. York was a very nice place to live for ten years. The Durham Dales are amazing, even in the rain. My granddaughter loves visiting from East Anglia, as she loves the view from my doorstep.

Anyway, this thread is about people's life chances, or lack of them, whatever Cameron promised them. It's about his lack of Christian charity towards those he is supposed to support.

The NHS is in an even worse state than it was when the thread was started.
Strikes next week.
The reason Oxford is mentioned is because of Cameron's hypocrisy, not because some of you live there.

Just so true Eloethan, but it does distract from the fact that the number in poverty and homeless is increasing . The best form of defence is attack!

Jen hope no homes have been flooded in you village

They know this Jrn, it is just a way to distract from the topic being discussed which is Cameron himself and his hypocrisy when spouting about Christian values

I do not think so, Annie, thanks. The schools were closed, the village closed to traffic because of the risk of the wash from cars going into people's houses and businesses.
Fire brigade and farmers to help.
I took my granddaughter to school as I had not heard about it being closed, and saw people coming back with their trousers wet to their knees, so it was quite deep in places. Then I turned round and came back home with her. The main hill was like a river down to Front Street. The drains were cleared last year, but it obviously doesn't work with that amount of water.
Flooding was one of the main objections to building another estate further up the hill from us! The builders have gone to appeal.

I read something about homelessness yesterday. Apparently single homeless do not get counted in the statistics, so the homeless problem is far worse than is thought.

No, they are not included in the homeless figures Jen, so much fiddling of figures going in

Sorry to be so dumb but is this right? That must mean all of the young people who are homeless are not counted? I am absolutely gobsmacked!!

Not all young people , if they have been in care or are pregnant they can be included , if a child leaves home because of family problems but have not been under any care supervision they are not included , this is the worry, a sixteen year old move from house to house, from squat to squat sleeping on sofas , they are not homeless , they can sleep in a car so are not homeless , the figures are so fiddled it is impossible to know the true numbers

Cameron is back to his usual approach on PMQ, avoiding giving straight answers but replying with jibes. What is the connection between flooding of homes and the shadow cabinet reshuffle ?

I am not sure how any government could keep totally up to date with the figures of young people walking out of the family home or moving from one friends sofa to another?

Unless the young person is reported as having left home in the first place how would anyone ever know?

Oh silly me David Cameron should have put tags on all young people so he can know where they are 24/7

I suggest you ask shelter or centre point then you will not feel silly

This strikes me as yet another way of marginalising young people. Once again they are ignored. No work, no homes, hugely in debt if they pursue education and not even counted. If there isn't an outbreak of social unrest it will be a miracle.

Oh I am totally confused then Anniebach I thought we were talking about young people who leave home and sleep on their friends sofas not those who attend centres for the homeless, where they can obviously be accounted for.

Yes you are confused Gillybob , I accept I may not have explained fully, pity you didn't ask for a fuller explanation instead of using sarcasm

trisher, the danger is some forget there are so many towns and cities apart from London . Not every town has a centre point or a shelter office, if a youngster is forced to leave home aged 16 and apply for housing they say I am sleeping on sofas in different houses - they are not listed as homeless , these friends houses could be squats and the friends not friends but have taken in a youngster . Doesn't take a genius to work out what happens to them

Perhaps Jen will post a link which will help the confused

Be time for his Easter message soon.

No. That's the Pope. And the Archbishop.

It is, isn't it Anniebach.

Young people have always left home. Some runaway to escape nasty situations and some just can't take rules of any kind and think that life will be so much better doing their own thing. After making the move/running away I wonder how many wish they could turn the clock back?

Not as many as now .gillybob, with many more second and third marriages or new uncles! let's not pretend the fault always lies with troublesome children , easy cope out sorry to blame the child

"Perhaps djen will post a link which will help the confused" ( from ab)
Haha.?
PMQ's was priceless today, and Corbyn looked totally ridiculous.

Labour MP's resigning now from the shadow cabinet and the front bench!

Perhaps our resident socialists could fill the empty posts?

I am not pretending anything? What is your problem Anniebach?

The fact remains that young people have always left home for several reasons. I agree that the breakup of the family unit is often the cause but regardless of what you think, there are (troublesome) young people (and I know one or two) who simply cannot accept rules fo any kind. It is not an easy "cop out" at all.

.....and I wonder how many of them realise very quickly that the grass is not greener and wish they could return?

.gillybob, if you think the figures given by centre point that we have 83,000 homeless young people and it has always been so also 83,000 leave home because they cannot accept rules then your choice

Did I say that Anniebach?

Did I?

Gillybob, you dismissed the fact that youngsters are homeless because they don't want rules, whilst we lea brains now this has always been so but this doesn't mean such a large number can be so easily dismissed, st least not by me . We all know one or two , I will not dismiss thousands because of one or two