Embedded License of Domestic Abuse to Women in Religion Through the Eyes of a German Refugee From Yemen

I said that men must accept responsibility for their behaviour Eloethan ... did you not read that?

Equality please. Both men and women have to accept responsibility for their behaviour.

Marmark1. Love it. Why is the race card always played when people speak the truth.
As has been said before. That's why the horrendous abuse happened in Rochdale etc, and still going on. There's none so blind as him who will not see.

Freedom to wear what you like and drink alcohol when you want to is not a license to be completely irresponsible and expect someone else to make your informed decisions for you.

We have freedom to walk on our mountains wearing flimsy shoes and thin unwaterproof clothes, but some people do that without regard for the weather conditions and set out without enough time to get safely home again. When they are caught in a storm as the light fades, the mountain rescue teams turn out to find them, because that is what they do, but the "foolish virgins" walkers don't get a lot of public sympathy

Sorry, I confused Marmark and Marmight for a moment.

Believe me ladies,I am no kind of racist. I deplore bullying of any kind.People are concerned,many people,people of all colours.They are concerned that their homelands and culture is being taken.They are concerned for their way of life.They see what life is like in far away countries,and they are frightened.
Have they reason to be, It looks that way sometimes.

Marmark1. I agree with every word you say, but.... Not the word frightened. I'm not frightened I'm bloody angry.

In Tuesday's Telegraph: Andrea Nahles, the social security minister for Germany, has said:
“Refugees who come here looking for shelter from us and seeking to start a new life must abide by our rules and values. .......... We will cut benefits to those who show that they do not want to integrate.
“And in my view that should also include willingness to take part in language courses and abide by the basic rules of our society.”

We are at an important crossroads. So far in Modern Europe we have welcomed genuine refugees and shown respect for the right of people to follow their religion. Now, due to the sudden influx of a large volume of Moslems (not in UK as yet) whose values are based on a relatively narrow interpetation of the Koran untempered by a wider knowledge of world philosophy or history, we are, or will be forced to choose which values we hold most dear - human rights or human lives? The answer was that we should never have let the situation come to this, the situation with Assad (allegedly) using chemical weapons and now with ISIL rampantly killing so called deviants should have been nipped in the bud by the world community. Instead of which they take years just to agree to talk about it. Meanwhile thousands suffer, starve and/or die at sea, and fit young men arrive in Europe and expect the world on a plate. I agree with Marmark1.

Aye, that's the crux of the present situation. The greater part of this influx of refugees are those from Syria fleeing Assad. The world sat back and let it happen because it did not want to repeat the mistakes of Iraq. Yet, we did intervene in Libya and the situation is spiralling out of control there too.

I think the seeds of this problem were sown a long time ago.

Starbird. Very good post.

And it is not racism to say so.That word is bandied about so much it has lost its true meaning.I consider myself a nice person, I don't care what anyone looks like,I have real friends,and relatives of all colours.If they are nice or not,it's nothing to do with what they look like.But I,and I know many more,many more than the media will tell you about,feel their home is being invaded,not only that, but some of the invaders are trying to change my home.Would'nt anyone feel threatened and worried?
Personally, I believe (and nobody will convince me otherwise) the powers that be have a reason for allowing it,I'm no where near clever enough to know why,but I know some scullduggery going on.

Starbird where do you get the idea that Syrians fall into this category: "Moslems (not in UK as yet) whose values are based on a relatively narrow interpetation of the Koran untempered by a wider knowledge of world philosophy" Where on earth??? It's long been a relatively well educated and liberal country
Cast your eyes over this Wiki entry on stars of women there. There's certainly room for improvement but it ain't the worst by a long chalk.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Syria

I not that in Syria women in parliament =13%
We have only recently exceeded that in the UK:

191 women MPs were elected at the 2015 General Election, 29% of all MPs and a record high. Prior to 1987 women had never been more than 5% of MPs. 450 women have been elected to the Commons since 1918, nine less than the current number of male MPs.

It seems from my extremely limited experience that integration is a big issue. Living in the South we have a tiny indiscernable population of people following the Muslim faith. However along our road we have a house that seems to rented to the Social Services (we assume) which houses Muslim families usually with a relatively large family iof 6 children or more. They stay for a few years a d then move on. Try as we might by speaking in the street, asking the mother to coffee morning's etc or other children asking the Muslim children to play, there has never been one instance of joining in any activity.
It is so sad as people are more than willing to take the family into the community but are always rebuffed.

We are also talking about a country where the compulsory school age ends at 11. The status of women also varies hugely, those living in large cities being far more westernised than those living in rural areas.

The rise of fundamentalism is also changing the status of women.

In fact the status of Muslim women varies tremendously in this country too. From MPs, to business women, to students, to housewives, to those who are virtual prisoners in their own home through lack of language skills or mediaeval male attitudes.

And seeing that most of Syria is rural, what are you going to get?
It doesn't need Einstein to work it out.
If some of us are so wrong in our views on some immigrants, how come Angela Merkel is rethinking their policy of 'come one, come all'?

Whilst I wouldn't disagree that women are under represented in politics and in the higher echelons of the professions generally, I don't think that we can make a comparison between that and the subjugation and derision that some are on the receiving end by a section of men that have been schooled in the most draconian beliefs in the way women are viewed.

Religions tend to be patriarchal in their structure and doctrines, my own, Catholicism, is not an exception, but where we tend to part company from Islam, happily most of us make up our own mind pretty freely as adults as to whether we will continue with what was imposed on us as children. Half of my background is from a conservative Mediterranean culture and this is all fresh in my mind from a recent family funeral when I had a discussion such as this with cousins and found most of us are indeed now lapsed, but felt over controlled as children by a religion that, at the time, before the scandals came to light, allowed very little dissent.

Islam of course encompasses many different people, and some will wear their religion very lightly, my husband plays golf with a couple of Iranian friends, who, although Muslim are completely at ease with life here in England, so much so they make no secret of the fact that they enjoy wine with their meal like so many of us do. Their wives are equally emancipated and are not "under the thumb" It is of course wrong to put all Muslims into the same category, much depends on where they are from, the education they receive and how the society they have left treats their women. Nevertheless, we would have to live in a vacuum to know that things are changing rapidly in Europe due to the recent migration. To an extent there is a section from the newly arrived that threaten the established way of life, I don't think it's racist to challenge beliefs that treat women as second class citizens, or to want to deport those who have sexually molested women in public places. If these men are not dealt with it's inevitable there will be a back lash they must fall in line with the parameters of society here in the west and we must not compromise our values to accommodate them.

Good post TerriBull

TerriBull. Thank you for that. It says it all, particully the part about when you become an adult.