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Boris Johnson

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obieone Wed 17-Feb-16 18:55:40

I cant decide whether I like him or not. I probably shouldnt.

I also cant decide if he is playing fair about the EU in or out decision.
Is everything to him just about himself and his career, and that is why he is fence sitting extraordinaire?

WilmaKnickersfit Tue 23-Feb-16 17:15:03

I thought we decided they were the Unholy Trinity?

WilmaKnickersfit Tue 23-Feb-16 17:17:55

Then again if we decide on Kim Jong-un as the forth horsemen we have the complete set.

WilmaKnickersfit Tue 23-Feb-16 17:18:29

I'm moving to the Outer Hebrides.

durhamjen Tue 23-Feb-16 17:28:50

I think Zac Goldsmith might have just lost his chance of taking over from Boris as Mayor of London.
He actually said that "being nondom allows you to make lifestyle choices to avoid paying tax". I know he's given up being a nondom now, but I'd be surprised if that admission endeared him to many Londoners.

Mamie Tue 23-Feb-16 17:36:26

The fourth is Marine Le Pen in the Elysée.

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 17:48:06

Zac Goldsmith who voted on the cut backs for the vulnerable makes over one million a year in interest from the money he inherited , didn't trouble him the vulnerable don't have life style choices , it's either live in poverty or die early

durhamjen Tue 23-Feb-16 17:52:25

Agreed, Annie.

This is interesting.

theconversation.com/mayoral-maths-why-backing-brexit-was-the-only-option-for-boris-johnson-55194

I wonder if Boris did the maths.

annodomini Tue 23-Feb-16 18:15:08

On BBC news just now, Boris's hair was looking worryingly like Trump's.

durhamjen Tue 23-Feb-16 18:28:59

Interchangeable wigs?

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 20:15:45

Irony comes to mind .

rosesarered Tue 23-Feb-16 20:39:20

It often comes to my mind too POGS [irony] especially when reading some Gransnet postings.

rosesarered Tue 23-Feb-16 20:40:09

A week is a long time in politics.

JessM Tue 23-Feb-16 21:22:31

Yes Goldsmith had to give up non-dome status in order to become an MP. His family were of course top gossip generating "celebs" in their day.
Just in case any of you are too young to remember:
His Eurosceptic father
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Goldsmith
His mother Annabel,(described as mother figure to Diana), with the top nightclub named after her en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Goldsmith
and of course his sister Jemima who scandalised the rich and famous by marrying Imran Khan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima_Goldsmith
Colourful does not begin to describe this family saga.

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 21:58:59

Zac Goldsmith was challenged to publish his tax returns . He has now published them , it is reported his tax rate was at 46 per cent. Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone published theirs also during the 2012 Mayoral Election. I believe they paid 40.3 per cent and 33.3 per cent respectively.

Will Sadiq Khan ? He said he will do so. What will George Galloway and Sian Berry do I wonder.

I have no argument with the fact non Dom status is/was plainly wrong. I do however find it a bit rich that no Labour government ever attempted to change the law yet the Conservatives have , if I am not mistaken in last years July Budget. Happy to be proved mistaken.

Eloethan Tue 23-Feb-16 22:13:04

Changed the law about what?

Ana Tue 23-Feb-16 22:21:27

www.blplaw.com/expert-legal-insights/articles/summer-budget-2015-significant-changes-uk-tax-non-domiciled-individuals/

Although it doesn't come into force until next year.

durhamjen Tue 23-Feb-16 23:10:50

"Sometimes it’s hard not to feel some sympathy with the super rich. In a Newsnight interview with Evan Davis, the Conservative candidate in the London mayoral election, Zac Goldsmith, was almost in tears at the suggestion he might not pay his full whack of tax on his estimated £300m nest egg. The whole reason money had been stashed away in Geneva on his behalf was purely to make sure that he could pay as much tax as possible. The same thing applied to his financial affairs in the Cayman Islands. If he didn’t have things set up this way there was a serious danger the chancellor might be shortchanged. Curiously, Google had used an almost identical argument to explain their tax affairs to the public accounts committee the week before.

Google was gagging to pay as much UK tax as possible, Mark Brittin, Google’s European president, had assured everyone. Unless their money had been diverted to Ireland in a “double Irish’’ manoeuvre and thence to Holland – “the Dutch sandwich” – it was possible the Treasury would have received even less. And what about Bermuda? Meg Hillier, the public accounts committee chair inquired. Don’t worry, Brittin said. Bermuda was just there to avoid US taxes. And how many employees did Google have in Bermuda? None. A true Bermuda triangle into which cash and staff disappear and are never seen again."
From the Guardian.

Zac Goldsmith said he'd always lived in London and always paid all his taxes.
That was from 2010 onwards. He was actually given his dad's nondom status in 1997. He hasn't said what happened in those years.

durhamjen Tue 23-Feb-16 23:19:49

Scrapping nondom status altogether was in Labour's manifesto.

rosesarered Tue 23-Feb-16 23:20:01

First Boris, now Zac Goldsmith, nobody is safe from Gransnet.grin?????? especially those with money.

durhamjen Tue 23-Feb-16 23:22:05

Unfortunately they are quite safe, unlike the poor, sick and homeless whom they are glad to make poorer, while making their rich friends richer.

rosesarered Tue 23-Feb-16 23:30:21

They are not safe from the Gransnet character assassination.☠???

rosesarered Tue 23-Feb-16 23:31:23

At least,from some posters, should I say.

POGS Wed 24-Feb-16 04:36:33

Durhamjen

You should try and watch Ed Balls talking about Non Dom Status during the 2015 General Election Campaign. He is going against Labour Policy to scrap Non Dom Status saying "It would cost Britain money". I should put a link up , must learn how to do it , it was a classic comment .

You are correct in what you say Durhamjen but whilst it is fair to point out such matters it would achieve more agreement from a wider audience if the valid points you raise were not continually apportioning blame to just one group of people you dislike so much.

For the purpose of non partisan politics all parties have those who can be named and shamed for their tax dodging affairs , I think we are acutely aware of names that could be listed for the sake of parity , some are very high profile names to.

Anniebach Wed 24-Feb-16 08:19:24

Character assassination ? Criticising a multimillionaire MP who speaks of life style choices whilst voting to take the poorest in this country even into deeper poverty is character assassination?

Well stand by because Hunt's character is about to undergo an assassination ,

As for Boris , one needs to be of good character before any assassination can be carried out , Boris is not of good character

Anniebach Wed 24-Feb-16 09:36:30

Boris Johnsons character, affairs during his first marriage one resulted in the birth of a daughter,

Affairs in second marriage, the four year affair with petronella Wyett resulted in a miscarriage and an abortion , perhaps second wife didn't have time to be a loving wife due to having their five children, I expect Boris is just misunderstood