Gransnet forums

News & politics

Boris Johnson

(414 Posts)
obieone Wed 17-Feb-16 18:55:40

I cant decide whether I like him or not. I probably shouldnt.

I also cant decide if he is playing fair about the EU in or out decision.
Is everything to him just about himself and his career, and that is why he is fence sitting extraordinaire?

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 10:32:29

Not so Jingle, how about the name of one Labour PM who was forced out of office , if they are all the same there must be at least one ?

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 10:35:34

I agree POGS, we are use to the press supporting their chosen party but this has spread to the Beeb , I want balanced reporting for all parties

trisher Tue 23-Feb-16 10:41:30

obeione Londomers aren't up in arms because he has moved out all the low income families, the people left are either stinking rich or working desperately all the hours they can trying to make ends meet.

NanaBridget Tue 23-Feb-16 10:45:27

Wow !!

Daggers are out, is there a divorce in the air?

David Cameron has vented his frustration at Boris Johnson over Europe, as he ridiculed the mayor of London over his apparent call for a second EU referendum and came close to accusing him of backing a vote to leave to boost his chances of one day leading the Conservative party.

In a sign that a Tory truce on Europe is under severe strain before the official campaigning has even begun, the prime minister infuriated anti-EU campaigners by describing Johnson’s idea for a second vote as undemocratic and one “for the birds”.

As the London mayor shook his head and shouted “rubbish” in the Commons chamber, the prime minister mocked Johnson by likening his idea for a second referendum to a couple who start divorce proceedings as a way to make up.

“I have known a number of couples who have begun divorce proceedings,” Cameron said in remarks that were seen to be aimed at Johnson, who has experienced trouble in his marriage. “But I do not know any who have begun divorce proceedings in order to renew their marriage vows.”

Anya Tue 23-Feb-16 11:16:08

Cameron is a canny politician, he's in a win-win situation and he knows it.

If he loses and the UK comes out of Europe it won't matter to him as he has already stated he's standing down before the next election. So he'll do that 'more in sorrow than in anger' whilst reminding us how democratic he has been by fulfilling his election pledge and letting the electorate decide.

Should he win and the UK stays in then ditto - either way, either result, it's easy to spin.

obieone Tue 23-Feb-16 11:17:39

There would still be some left out of 8 million people trisher, but I dont hear a peep.

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 11:22:40

He must have a high profile like him or not.

He was singled out time and again by 'both' sides of the House in a mocking manner yesterday, very mature.
He has been the most covered person by the media for days.
Even Gransnet has a dedicated thread just for him.

He doesn't have to promote himself , others do it all for him.

jinglbellsfrocks Tue 23-Feb-16 11:27:16

I'm wondering how the Gove/Cameron friendship will stand up to this. Sounds like the two families are quite close. Bit sad if that is spoilt. Hopefully they will all put it behind them once the referendum is over.

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 11:33:16

Jingle I am quite sure you have many friends that you do not share the same view with.

I am not being sarcastic by the way. I just don't think of you as being one of those people who refuse to mix or be friends with another just because they don't share your views , religion or politics. Your not that boring .

obieone Tue 23-Feb-16 12:27:39

I dont think Caneron is in a win-win.
He has a life after 10 Downing Street. If the vote is to Leave, he will appear personally to have lost.That wont be quite as good for his after dinner speaking/Europe or whatever else jobs he has in mind.
Not to mention his personal feelings about current friends and colleagues afterwards too.

Eloethan Tue 23-Feb-16 12:55:27

obieone Some Londoners - me for one, and there are many others - are very unhappy about Boris Johnson's performance as Mayor.

His term in office is littered with extravagant, unnecessary and loss-making projects such as:

The Olympic Orbital sculpture commissioned by BJ which cost £3.1 million and which has been losing £10,00 a week. Only 124,000 people visited it between April 2014 and March 2015, which is far below the estimated visitor numbers.

The cable car project between North Greenwich and the Royal Docks which the Mail Online described as "the most pointless piece of public transport in Britain", linking "two not very interesting places". It has been described as a "theme park ride" because virtually no commuters use it - whereas Boris Johnson said it was needed as a commuter route. It cost £16 million.

According to the New Statesman, he spent £5.2 million lobbying for his "Boris Island" Thames Estuary airport project, despite the fact that "none of the major players in the aviation industry thought it was viable".

Then there is the Garden Bridge - a bridge which is not needed and which, though primarily privately funded, will cost TfL £30 million and the Treasury £30 million, and involve estimated yearly maintenance costs of £1 million.

The Routemaster "Bus for London" was introduced in 2012 after Boris Johnson pledged to restore conductors and an open back door. After spending £11.37m getting the project off the ground there is no money left to pay for £62,000 a year “customer assistants”, who man the open back platforms, leaving many of them closed for good.

The bus has been branded as dangerous and inefficient. Temperatures of 37 degrees have been recorded of 37 degrees, due to a lack of opening windows.

The supposedly “green” batteries result in dangerous handling and poor fuel efficiency, according to their drivers. It is said that the hybrid batteries are not charging properly, leaving many vehicles to run solely on a supplementary diesel engine which cannot cope. Due to these failures, the promised reduction in pollution levels have not been achieved.

Despite making assurance that no ticket offices would be closed, in fact all of them will be closed, leaving travellers to the mercy of ticket machines. This is despite substantial numbers of passengers believing that the offices should remain open. At less heavily used stations, it is felt that elderly people, sight impaired people and anybody else who might require extra assistance, will be negatively affected by these changes. The Evening Standard has also reported that at some stations where ticket offices have closed people are queuing for around 30 minutes to get a ticket and sometimes for as long as an hour.

Some Londoners are "up in arms" about many of these, and other, issues. However, like much of the electorate, both locally and nationally, many people feel disconnected from, and disillusioned by, politics and simply shrug and put up with it.

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 13:04:18

Is it just me?

If I had 'good friends' I would need more than the fact David Cameron fulfilled the Conservative Manifesto to give give the UK population a referendum on the EU. I believe the Labour Manifesto wanted a referendum also so if they were in government I would think it would be the same views, points raised.

If you loose 'good friends' over this they were only ever acquaintances in the first place. They have wives and children who would suffer too so I would hope saving face would not be their priority.

Tony Blair didn't too bad did he. Hmmm illegal war or giving the populous a right to self determination. He might be OK!

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 13:24:13

They seem to separate politics from friendship. Ed Millibands wife is a close friend of George Osbournes wife. I suppose it depends if Dave feels Gove has betrayed him, a disagreement is one thing , a betrayal is so different . Dave has given Gove top jobs , perhaps he expected loyalty in return . I do think Boris has been a toad, yes he could have announced his out choice but all that dressing up for the cameras, keeping the press waiting for his announcement was so planned I found it rather repulsive and found I felt sorry for Dave. Still I felt sorry for thatcher when she was kicked out of No 10 , there is a line for me and Boris didn't just step over it, he did the long jump.

AnnieGran Tue 23-Feb-16 15:38:20

Come on Durhamjen - go for it. Where have you been?

POGS Tue 23-Feb-16 15:43:31

Ah back to the suit, shirt and tie Anniebach.

Was it Polonius who said " For the apparel oft proclaims the man"

Mark Twain quote is good too. "Clothes make the man,. Naked people have little or no influence on society".

WilmaKnickersfit Tue 23-Feb-16 15:44:33

Ok. Why is Boris getting so much coverage about this? Why is his position so important? Will someone please spell it out for me?

thatbags Tue 23-Feb-16 16:03:33

I object to that toadist remark. It's an insult to toads which are nice animals.

Granddaughter Tue 23-Feb-16 16:09:23

I would love some easy tick 'Like' box for many comments, perhaps also dislike rather than the funny faces.

JessM Tue 23-Feb-16 16:27:09

WilmaK because he was elected as mayor of London and is consequently seen as electable should he ever be leader of the conservative party. Also he is extremely good at manipulating the media - he is after all a media chap himself. And the media are always interested in those from their own ranks.

WilmaKnickersfit Tue 23-Feb-16 16:38:04

JessM I thought I must be missing something because I can see him wreaking havoc within the party, but as for electing him as leader, well we'd be the laughing stock of the civilised world. Surely people can't really see him as a party leader or God forbid, Prime Minister? confused shock

FarNorth Tue 23-Feb-16 17:04:20

Donald Trump in the US and Boris in the UK. Won't it be wonderful.

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 17:08:10

POGS I would rather not think of Boris naked, will leave it to his many mistresses

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 17:10:44

I apologise for insulting toads, I can't say rat because I am so very fond of Ratty, but think of it, Boris is rather like Toad isn't he grin

JessM Tue 23-Feb-16 17:10:45

People fall for his innocent baby face and sense of humour and then make the mistake of voting for him. Getting less baby faced and more jowly and churchillian these days I note, and no doubt will cash in on that.

Anniebach Tue 23-Feb-16 17:11:55

Trump, Boris and Putin, one more and we have The Four Horsemen , which is death