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How will you vote in the EU referendum? (Thread 2)

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MrsHerMarbles Fri 04-Mar-16 10:42:58

The previous discussion on this got to 1000 posts so I'm starting a new thread so we can continue talking about it here. Here's a link to the previous thread.

Ana Sat 09-Apr-16 20:34:43

We only voted on whether to join the Common Market back in the 70s - no one could have foreseen what a huge impact the EU and its diktats would have on our country. It's about time we were given a choice.

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 20:29:26

Exactly! You could say, it wasn't what we signed up for when we joined in the first place.

Chrissye07 Sat 09-Apr-16 20:25:20

Awe thank you rosesarered.
I agreed with your post that none of us know what this country will be like in 20 years which applies whether we vote in or out. Either way, whichever decision we make we are all taking a gamble for the future but we should have more of a say about our own Country as should others and be Great Britain once again where we are free to fly our flag as high as we want!
Whether we are inners or outers.....we can't predict what will happen and therefore all taking a gamble with our children and grandchildren's future!
Being in hasn't been great so far has it?

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 19:43:14

welcome Chrissye07 to the forum, keep on posting your thoughts.smile

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 19:41:37

anniebach you care for Wales [we are talking about the UK.]
As for the EU being a 'moderating influence' djen that actually means it has fingers in all our pies and our rights to our own law making decisions not being forced to do things by Brussels.
We all know which way we are voting, and why, and at least we have the chance to make our voices heard in June.

durhamjen Sat 09-Apr-16 19:02:16

I think that's at least one of your u-turns there, whitewave. Over the parliament they have done at least 360 degrees on badger culling.

whitewave Sat 09-Apr-16 18:48:38

Bright as a button eh?

durhamjen Sat 09-Apr-16 18:47:07

Talking about your country, Annie, I saw something about a Tory standing for the Assembly promising to bring back culling badgers. He thought he was talking to farmers, didn't realise that others would be there.

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 18:34:58

Who dislikes their country Petra? I love mine with a passion

Gracesgran Sat 09-Apr-16 18:06:49

Petra which people do you think have little faith in their country? I'm afraid I am confused by this comment.

Chrissye07 Sat 09-Apr-16 17:44:59

I'm new to the forums so hope it's ok for me to post considering I'm going to vote out. I did complete the survey and posted on that other forum but seemed to come under the category of posting to get a voucher so thought I better post my vote on here as directed.
I'm not sure what 'lurker' is but I assume that's someone who chooses to read the forums and not post.
So hi everyone, I'm Chrissy and voting to come out.

durhamjen Sat 09-Apr-16 17:07:28

If there wasn't a referendum, we still would not know what it would be like in twenty years time, so that argument is specious.
However, we do know that the EU has a moderating influence on UK politics at the moment, and I wish to keep that.
I do not dislike the country; I dislike what this government and preceding ones have done to it, made lots of people greedy and grasping, suspicious of their neighbours, the homeless, those who are on benefits, the elderly, and the young.
That's what I dislike, and the reason I carry on is in the hope that we can change it so that the majority start caring about those are less fortunate.

petra Sat 09-Apr-16 15:58:24

It must be terrible for some people to live a country that they dislike so much and have so little faith in.
Like many others, I wonder why so many are risking their lives to get to such a do nothing, know nothing little island.

Luckygirl Sat 09-Apr-16 15:55:30

From the discussion it is clear that we really do not know what UK will look like either in or out. And it reinforces my firm view that the referendum is a farce. How can the woman on the Clapham omnibus be expected to have an informed view on what should happen - even the "experts" do not have a crystal ball.

petra Sat 09-Apr-16 15:49:41

Railman. Daniel Hannan is an MEP. This was all told to him when won the seat for the Southeast? He's not a Daily Mail journalist, much as some would like him to be so they could call him a lier

whitewave Sat 09-Apr-16 15:07:11

Of course Brexit maintains that we won't need either of these models, but when to a very large extent we will not be in charge of our own future but will need to do deals with a large economic block with enormous world wide clout, then the above models begin to look if not identical somewhat more likely.

whitewave Sat 09-Apr-16 14:58:14

OK in order to try to get an idea of what the UK may look like after our exit from the EU, I have looked at those models in existence where European countries are outside the EU but still wish to trade with and have some sort of relationship.

Norway. Member of EEA other members are Iceland and Lechestein (sp.).

All of these countries have chosen not to participate in Brussels decision making, but require access to the single market.

Agreement was reached with the EU over this access and the following is what the model looks like

1. Does not participate in any Brussels decision making, but must abide by approx. 3/4 if all EU legislative action in new legislation.
2. Has had to accept free movement of people, goods and services as well as capital. Indeed Norway etc. Is more integrated than some other member states e.g. UK as they do not have a veto.
3. They are subject to Schengan resulting in a higher immigration than the UK.
4. In order to gain access to the single market they must retain all product standards, financial regs, employment regs, and contribute to the EU budget.
Norway's membership fee is the 10th highest in the EU, at €100 per person pa. The UK pays at present €180. But you must ask yourself whether, as we are a wealthier country than Norway our contribution will be higher.
5.Since its referendum Norway has implemented 6000 EU acts
7. There is full cooperation covering R&D, education and social policy, environment, consumer protection and tourism and culture
8. The EEA is outside the Customs, agriculture and fisheries. Rules of origin for VAT purposes will change and all the impediments relating to customs control will be implemented
9.Most global companies are reluctant to reach a trade agreement with these EEA countries unless they have an agreement with the EU.

The Switzerland model is similar but more complicated. No other model exists.

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 13:51:47

How little Cameron came away from his begging session with the EU with shows us it's time to leave.

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 13:50:24

I expect we will manage ( probably very well) as we have rubbed along well enough for the thousand years before the EU.

Ana Sat 09-Apr-16 13:49:46

And although Dave keeps banging on about 'a reformed EU', it isn't yet, and who knows whether it ever will be?

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 13:48:47

The thing is,your children ,my children, the children next door etc, will all be voting for different outcomes ( we have 3 children, two are voting out and one voting in!)

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 13:46:44

I disagree, you have no idea what things will be like in 20 years if we stay in .

pompa Sat 09-Apr-16 13:45:31

Like AnnieBach, I will be listening to my children, they will be the ones most affected. I doubt it will affect me very much either way.

whitewave Sat 09-Apr-16 13:34:34

But you see rose you still haven't answered my question.

I can at least, as can you, have some idea of the UKs trajectory over the next 20 years if we stay in, but you or anyone else is playing fast and lose with our children's future if you vote no because you haven't a clue what our chances are on our own

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 13:30:44

I had decided to vote to stay in, then gave it more thought, listened to people both inners and outers. Have listened to my grandchildren who will inherit the decision of their grandparents, so definitely in

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