Newsnight/Labour Muslim Women Councillors

Think if it was Tories behaving like this!! You'd hear the shrieks of outrage on here, from John O'Groats to Lands End, and further!! Quite right too actually!!! but because it's not Tories, a strange silence is all we can hear, how very odd!!!!!!!

This is where being Politically Correct fails. It ends up tying them in knots.

But the right answer is glaringly obvious and very simple.

The 'right' answer, obieone?

Well I'm interested to know what Labour are going to do over the ANTI SEMETIC accusations within Labour also. Not to worry about those two problems there are far more troubling matters for Labour to worry over. .

Today Speaker Bercow allowed Tom Watson (the doyen of modesty and moral high ground) to ask an 'URGENT Question' about the Privvy Council and secrecracy over the Sun Newspapers article concerning the Queen eluding to Brexit. It appears the kangaroo court has spoken and there was a call for Michael Gove to be sacked or resign by Labour.

Now to my mind A, the Sun is hated by Labour and the hypocrisy of using it as a 'Gospel of Truth' astounds me. B, they have named, shamed, called for Goves head to roll whilst using Parliamentary Privilege, then again that is a favourite ploy of Tom Watson isn't it. C, Most Labour politicians see the Privvy Council as a joke until they elect to view it as the bastion of the Monarchy and requires protection yet they want to get shot of. Hypocrisy, to my mind absolutely but I know that view will no doubt be challenged.

If Gove is 'proven' guilty of this 'travesty ' , I think one MP alluded to him being a 'traitor' , could be wrong, then fair enough but there must be proof surely! Let's see now what is the bigger issue for Labour at the moment, Allegations of Anti Semitism within the Labour Party, Allegations of Systemic Mysogyny and Threatening Behaviour within the Labour Party to Female Councillors, or The Sun Newspaper Allegation that Somebody who so far remains a secret said the Queen doesn't particularly likes the EU. Answer number 3.

Ah yes, John Bercow, that supposedly strictly non-partisan Speaker who nonetheless seems to be extremely partisan. And yes, I do know he's allegedly a conservative party member.

I'm afraid we won't be getting anywhere with this thread. Only fury and lectures at Tory policies are alive and well here, which is fine except that anything else is conveniently swept under the political carpet. Why am I not surprised! The hypocrisy is deafening!!

I may be being think but what is it that they are afraid of?
Anything to do with racism? Race relations are out of bounds? Not having much guidance from their leader? Afraid to upset muslim men? What exactly? I am at a loss.

thick not think. Doh!

Afraid of upsetting the apple cart and losing Muslim votes? Afraid that these women are brighter, smarter and more democratic than these men?! Mind you that wouldn't be difficult!!!!!! Jeremy is strangely silent and looks set to stay that way in the hopes that it'll ' go away'! and sadly, if this thread is anything to go by, it probably will! Makes all the shouting about Tory this and that just a tad shallow!!!

"Afraid of upsetting the apple cart and loosing the Muslim vote" how true.
I'm pretty certain that I remember Jack Straw admitting to this way back in time.

But the women are muslims too. They can vote what they like at the ballot box. I assume.

The silence from certain quarters on this forum unnerves me. Reminds me of Rotherham. Very indeed that this is still going on.

Only muslim men matter.

Oh yes I think the ladies are allowed to vote (by men). They're just not allowed (by men!) to partake in any of the running of local councils, or have any say whatsoever in local or national affairs!! As you say, the silence from certain quarters on here is rather unnerving!! However, it does make something of a mockery of all the indignation we have to hear about any right wing organizations particularly ukip, when the left are allowing sexism to flourish right under their noses. One lady I heard, had actually joined the conservatives as this was the only way she could pursue a political path, as these male colleagues welcomed her as their equal! What a sad state of affairs!!!

The problem with voting is that s someone else can control how you vote if you have a postal vote. Worrying that women kept under a male dominance should have no choice in a free vote.

Plus there have been cases of 'voter fraud' over postal voting. Tower Hamlets , Blackburn , Bradford come to mind.

Massive amounts of voting fraud I should think.If online voting ever goes ahead, expect a lot more.

Oh heavens yes. They're called anomalies in left wing circles! Fraud to you and me!! Male domination is called part of Muslim culture to the left and presumably ok. Sexism, and illegal in the UK to you and me! That's modern life I guess, something's are more legal than others!!!!!

At least Jack Straw was honest!!!!!

I think there is a feminist on Gransnet? She doesnt appear to have posted yet. Left wing as well?

I'm afraid you won't get any reaction from our left wing feminists. On most subjects they are so vociferous in their condemnation of all things perceived as right wing, homophobic, misogynistic and anyything else you can think of real or imaginary; but on this subject, silence!! How strange is that!! Perhaps we have to take it that they approve, and that somehow these ladies are not included in the women's movement, and don't have a place under the banner of women's emancipation. It's very odd, and I'd love to know why, but I guess we never will!!!!! Surely this must be telling us that the left are every bit as hypocritical as the right when it comes to difficult opinions!!!

I have been aware of this thread for a few days now, and until now have been unable to comment - as a left wing gran- because I had neither seen the programme nor read of the apparent problem concerning Muslim women councillors and potential councillors.

This morning I have taken time out to look at the programme - but as yet have not had time to do any further reading. Nevertheless what was reported was alarming enough, and I have contacted the Labour Party to enquire the action being taken over membership packing and intimidation, both of which is illegal and against the rules of the Labour Party.

Once I have received a reply I will advise on this thread.

White wave

It has been known of for quite a while. I mentioned Newsniight as a credible source so there could be no instant attack on the right wing press. Many Labour MP's have spoken openly on the matter and to be fair all credit to them.

That's brilliant whitewave, and thank you. Until seeing Newsnight, while I had heard that it was a problem, I had no idea that men, not just father's, husbands and brothers, were actually terrorising women to prevent them from taking their place in political affairs. It doesn't matter which political party this applies to, it needs stamping on, in exactly the same way as Tory bullying does, or anything else come to that. Our MP has been made well aware of local displeasure at that particularly shameful totally unacceptable episode, and if nothing else understands that a watchful eye is being kept for any more incidents.

Well done whitewave.

While I appreciate that this is probably an unsolvable problem as no one can dictate what goes on behind people's front doors, and this is, as we understand it, where some of these problems stem from, together with would be male colleagues; but I do think that the Labour front bench should voice it's disapproval loudly and clearly, that this is unacceptable behaviour, and that it is viewed as such at the highest level. At least these women wouldn't feel so isolated, and that nobody cared.

Yes, JC's certainly dragging his heels.

This isn't new phenomenon but has only recently been widely reported (I say recently, but it was in many of the leading newspapers on 7th February or thereabouts).

I'm surprised that you've only just become aware of it, whitewave.