Anti Semitism in Labour Party and Universities.

rosesarered, No, I certainly don't like anti-Semiticism, wherever it's coming from.

However, I've just spent hours researching this and the evidence is just not there that anti-Semiticism is more endemic in the Labour Party than any other section of society. There is more evidence to suggest that this is an attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn, but you don't like evidence, so I won't post any more links about that than I already have.

It worries me that these kind of accusations distract from unambiguous cases of anti-Semitism such as these:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Bonehill-Paine

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Bonehill-Paine

Oh, and while I'm at it, here's another link by an Israeli Jewish writer giving another version of life in modern Israel...

www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/04/07/israel-the-broken-silence/

Sorry! I didn't mean to post the same link twice. This is the second one...

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/unmasked-merseysider-jailed-anti-semitic-tweet-7966903

some people on here don't like the link with the Labour Party and anti-Semitism
Now, if it had been the Conservative Party.......

That is a bit cheap, rosesarered!

It's true though!!

Sorry Venus- but is is not simple at all. Are you denying that Zionists are constantly expanding Israel's territory into Palestine? And the appalling treatment of the Palestinian population?

No-one here denies the massive suffering on the Jews under the Nazi and other regimes here. What many of us will never understand is that a people that have suffered so, now somehow feels 'entitled' to make another people suffer so massively now.

VenusI have not deleted or had anything deleted ..what are you refering to? I am not being rude. You are still trying to equate political disagreement with hating Jews. I am trying to say that it is not the same thing at all.

You have not in any way acknowledged my personal connection to Palestine and the fact that my grandmother/great/great great grandparents etc all have an established history there. Are you denying that?

Also as Palestine is my family history, I do not need to read more as my family have lived it and know it.

For the record, as part of the left wing groups I belong to and via Amnesty, I have protested by petition and on demonstrations against violation of Human Rights across the world: China, Nepal, Russia, Saudi, Egypt etc etc

I am not a Holocaust denier and I am not in favour of violence..whoever the perpetrator but I am in favour of a fair outcome for Palestinians whose land, rights and culture are being eroded daily by Zionist policies.

I don't suppose the anti-Semitic element in the Labour Party is any worse than in any other group; it's probably better than the average.

But is there a PR problem for Labour here? Left-wing parties seek to put right what is wrong in society, and this often comes across as rather 'holier than thou', 'we know what's best for the people', etc. So it is relatively more shocking when they are accused of something like anti-semitism; we somehow expect more of them. I expect Labour's spin doctors are working on it when they're not busy stabbing each other in the back.

Undoubtedly grumppa

Granjura, I most emphatically deny that Israel, and I say Israel, not Zionists, are constantly expanding their territory, infact quite the opposite.

In 2005, Israeli troops and civlians were evacuated from the Gaza Strip and the territory was turned over to the control of the Palestinian Authority. In addition, four comunities in the West Bank covering an area larger than the entire Gaza Strip were evacuated.

In total Israel has withdrawn from approximately 94% of the territory it captured in 1967, which is 70% of the territory it once held.

I appreciate your family history, Penstemmon. War is not pleasant, I agree.

What stabbing in the back is going on in the Labour Party Grumppa? Stabbing in the back is what the tories are doing now, telling the media how they respect Osbourne, IDF and Cameron whilst secretly plotting . The Labour Party speaks openly for or against the party leader

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I didn't bother to draw the obvious comparison with the Tories, and am happy to be reassured that all is sweetness and light between JC's disciples and the apostles of Blair.

Do you accept Venus that my grandmother's family had land removed and homes taken by the government of Israel? It has never been returned.

1967 was a much later land snatch. What about in 1930/40s?

No, grumppa, it isn't all sweetness and light - of course not! Blair's former fundraiser is one of the chief accusers.

As I am considered a troll from the IDF, I will withdraw from this discussion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus_from_Lydda_and_Ramle

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

So much for sarcasm!

Yes Grumppa clearly it was a wasted effort on your part , but some did appreciate it!
what a shame to drive a poster away daphnedill because you didn't agree.

Venus, I have been gripped by this discussion and appreciated your involvement. The hurtful insult was regrettably waiting to happen. Such is the nature of anti-semitism.

I have learnt a huge amount about the history of the area.

To accuse someone of being a troll from the IDF is pretty disgusting, and quite frankly you should withdraw that comment daphnedill along with an apology. People are allowed to air their views on here without that sort of slur being aimed at them. Just because were not all on the far left, and yes, even dare to support Israel, doesn't mean that we have to be spoken to so rudely, constantly being made to feel on the defensive, and generally being regarded as evil and wicked. There are other much worse countries in the world with quite hideous human rights records, Turkey for one, China for another, Russia, quite awful, Zimbabwe, beyond awful! But in the opinion of the left, they're fine!!! Sweep it under the carpet, all's well!! Such hypocrisy is mind blowing!!! I'm out of here too!

No grumppa , all is not well between blairites and Corbyn but it is out in the open , blairites have openly said they will not serve in the shadow cabinet, this is not back stabbing it's being honest .

IDS knew the budget before it was presented to the house but waited until the following day to resign because he didn't agree with the budget , this was back stabbing

Nigglynellie, your accusations are out of control, please name who has said human rights records in China, Zimbabwe etc is fine , any apology is due from you unless you can name one poster who has said the human rights in these countries are fine , thank you

So no Labour spin doctors are briefing against each other? How naive of them.

No need Grumppa when they willingly give their views publicly