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Tax Havens

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whitewave Tue 05-Apr-16 08:38:06

We can't possibly let this slip by!

Tory on Radio 4 this morning arguing that we can't tackle the "treasure islands" that we have sovereignty over as it will lose people jobs!
I was astounded. So it is fine for the Steel workers to face penury but not those who help the wealthy to hide their money.

DC implicated - won't be long before GO is mentioned.

durhamjen Sat 09-Apr-16 18:36:21

Thanks, daphne. I've got my will and finances sorted. We did give a son a big help in his deposit. Only one more year and it's tax free. I own at least a bedroom there at the moment.

I think that the big four accountancy offices in Panama should also be raided, before they get rid of any evidence.
See what's happened; this government has made me suspicious.

nigglynellie Sat 09-Apr-16 18:37:00

Why do you find it 'sickening' ab? surely it's not your business, anymore than the way you do things is anyone elses business. We all do things as we see fit, and it's not for anyone else to pass judgement. D.C. was extremely fond of his father, as were lots of us, warts and all. No one's perfect, and we all do things that with hindsight we wish we hadn't, but to try and say that his affection and grief both for his father and his son is false and is being cynically manipulated is horrible, and much as I know you loathe' him, imo a step to far, and if that's being a Christian, frankly you can keep it!

Ana Sat 09-Apr-16 18:39:16

Ha! Like you never were before? Not even when Blair was in power? Pull the other one...

whitewave Sat 09-Apr-16 18:39:43

I can hear the shredders from here? Although it really isn't funny. It is a disaster for the world.

durhamjen Sat 09-Apr-16 18:42:40

Trying to deflect again, niggly. Cameron does it all the time. I take it back, roses, I think niggly must be related to him as she is always sticking up for him.

Obama gets the point even if you do not, niggly.

It's not what Cameron thinks of his dad; it's not whether what he did was legal or not.
It's the fact that it shouldn't be legal.

Surely you must be able to see that?
I am beginning to wonder how much you have got off-shore.

Ana Sat 09-Apr-16 18:42:49

I agree, nigglynellie. People deal with grief in their own way and it's despicable to criticise someone (anyone) for how they do that.

Ana Sat 09-Apr-16 18:45:10

Deflecting? It wasn't niggly who decided to bring up the subject of the e-mail about Cameron's son - which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread at all!

obieone Sat 09-Apr-16 18:54:33

People deal with grief differently. People shouldnt critisize other people about it, unless it isnt genuine, which I suspect this is.

On the other hand
Saying that he is very proud of everything his dad did - No. I dont think setting up an offshore account is something that DC should be proud of.

Tax havens. Legal, but shouldnt be.
If DC was really clever, he would seize this oppurtunity and try and deal with the mess of them.
If any leader is clever, they should be working hard to deal with them.

The mood in the country has changed. Politicians of all parties need to realise quick.

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 19:14:05

When I read some of the posts by the forums most dedicated Christian anniebach it makes me amazed at the sentiments that come out..... all that about Cameron's little boy [ the sad death of] and that somehow he, David Cameron would be making some sort of capital from it 2 days after the child died? Whaaaaat? What sort of person says that, [ don't answer, I think I already know.]

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 19:15:59

get back to the subject of tax avoidance for God's sake.

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 19:33:10

Niggly, I did not say his grief was false,

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 19:39:00

Rosesarered, I couldn't give s hoot what you think of me but there a possibility you have been offensive to one or more on this forum.

So funny you have your say then tell everyone to get back to get back to tax avoidance, but not unexpected from the forums most dedicated wanna be moderator

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 19:48:07

no, anniebach not to anyone else, my comment was about your posts... I could not believe them. To lose a child is the most terrible thing within a family.
I said get back to tax avoidance to stop any more ghastly posts about the Camerons and their grief.

nigglynellie Sat 09-Apr-16 19:52:00

It sounded like it ab. No I don't have any off shore accounts, nor do any of my family, I am not a member of the Cameron family and I don't live in Oxfordshire. Yes these loopholes should have been been closed years ago, so why didn't labour do this during their 13 years? Why is it only the wicked Tories who are taken to task for not doing this?

Ana Sat 09-Apr-16 19:55:11

A few of us have asked that question, niggly, but were told by Annie that it was ' a pathetic attempt to excuse Cameron'....go figure!

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 20:02:51

And the obvious answer niggly if why didn't the tories after five years .

So you think these off shore tax havens are legal tax avoidance or ilegal tax evasion?

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 20:06:08

Rosesarered, it is an excuse , are you blaming all the previous governments before 2010 for the Camerons making money in off shore accounts ?

rosesarered Sat 09-Apr-16 20:18:42

no more dialogue thanks anniebach I think your posts about the Camerons son are beyond the pale.
My comments have nothing to do with the Father or off shore accounts.

obieone Sat 09-Apr-16 20:19:13

No party has done it[as far as I know]. No point playing political tabletennis on gransnet or elsewhere.

The good thing about all of this now is that the Tories in particular may do something about it.

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 20:22:30

I agree obieone ,

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 20:24:20

But the thread is about Ian Cameron and off shore accounts, I just went back on topic as you ordered

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 23:07:13

How much more is going to come out. Cameron's father left him that sum of money and his mother has been topping it up each year . Where did her money come from?

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 23:09:22

Oh, it seems she gave Cameron £2oo,ooo because she thought her husband hadn't left Dave enough , and we are expected to believe this ?

daphnedill Sat 09-Apr-16 23:24:57

Ahem! I don't suppose it has anything to do with the amount Dave inherited being just below the threshold for inheritance tax.

Ian Cameron's will shows that there are funds held offshore and nobody knows how much they're worth, although Blairmore Holdings Inc was worth £25 million in 2012. In 2009 the compilers of the Sunday Times Rich List estimated Ian Cameron's wealth at £10m. Ian Cameron left £2.74 million in his UK will, so where's the rest?

An article about the Camerons' wealth before the leak of the Panama Papers:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/apr/20/cameron-family-tax-havens

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-16 23:31:19

Nooooo Daphne, surely no one will believe that. Dave was left £300,000 so no inheritance tax , his mother gave him £100,000 on two consecutive years because she thought Dave hadn't been left enough, must be true because the Camerons are saying this , how many pigs flying over head this evening